I'm pretty sure that that licensing recommendation is still
work-in-progress and the legal implications haven't been analysed yet.
I guess that assuming good faith is not your strong suit, Fae? Be part of
the solution, for once.
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 11:25, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that the official announcement on Commons is
worse than
unfortunate.
The announcement by the Diversity Working Group on a sub-page of the
VP of their recommendation to permit NC and ND license restrictions on
Commons, comes after no attempt in advance to discuss the
recommendation or its wording with Wikimedia Commons community *on
Commons*. It is not helped by the poster being a volunteer with barely
any activity on Commons, so not the best person to discuss the future
of Commons with.
Link:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump%2FCo…
The justifications for the change read as unsourced and arbitrary. In
particular there is no evidence that using Commons to host NC ND
material that may be important to minority communities, such as
traditional folk art, would help better to educate the public about
those arts when the same NC restriction would halt in its
tracks the general use of Commons by educators and universities. The
change in commons policies would have the consequence of advice to
educators being against using our media in lectures, study materials,
academic papers, academic books etc.
The Meta page that is linked to verges on being blatantly hostile to
the views of the Wikimedia Commons communities
* Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?
* (Answer) All change has negative connotations to some members of the
community.
This appears deliberately flippant and provocative. Bizarre.
If the WMF sponsored recommendation is hostile up front, I do not see
much point in the community discussing the change, it may as well just
be mass voted down. Discussion when the team recommending the strategy
is openly hostile to "some members of the community" on its own
recommendations page, will only lead to more polarization of the WMF
versus everyone else type.
Fae
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 02:11, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
(Response apparently wasn't sent to list previously.)
Yes, I think there ought to be a place to discuss the whole thing, as
several share a fatal flaw in that they advocate dictating to local
communities from above.
Is this getting announced anywhere other than on the mailing list? There
is
a proposal in these to literally undermine
Wikipedia's free content
mission
by allowing nonfree licenses. (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Wo…
)
Do you think, maybe, we shouldn't attempt to
slip that through unnoticed
and uncommented?
For example, here's the notice that was left on Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump&…
.
It's totally anodyne, and gives absolutely no indication that such
massive
changes, which would entirely strip the
communities of autonomy, are
proposed there. For example, I suspect Commons might be just a bit
interested to know these proposals would force them to accept nonfree
content. If this is in any way an honest process, make sure the
announcements indicate how breathtakingly broad and destructive these
proposals are.
Todd
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:35 AM Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> I believe there are related discussion pages, Todd. Do you think there
> should have been separate pages for discussion aside the talk pages?
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac.
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 2:29 PM Szymon Grabarczuk <
tar.locesilion(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> How about talk pages?
>>
>> Z poważaniem / Kind regards
>>
>> *Szymon Grabarczuk*
>> userpage:
pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion
<http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion>
>>
<http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion>
>> <http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion>
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 14:28, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> > There does not seem to be anywhere to comment on these, which there
>> should
>> > be. I saw at least one which is highly objectionable and which I
would
>> like
>> > to object to.
>> >
>> > Todd
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Nicole Ebber <
nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>> > >
>> > > They’re here! [1] We are delighted to announce the first round of
>> > > draft recommendations for structural change within our movement
have
>> > > been published. The
recommendations have been developed by the
nine
>> > > Wikimedia 2030 working groups
and are a key tool to help us build
the
>> > > future of our movement.
>> > >
>> > > Working group members have been working tirelessly for a year to
>> > > research the movement, analyze community input shared via
community
>> > > conversations, and gain
insight into external trends. A huge
thank you
>> > > to each and every member for
helping us reach this key milestone.
>> > >
>> > > The draft recommendations are a first look at ways we can adapt
our
>> > > movement’s structures to help
us advance in our strategic
direction.
>> > > They are the starting point
for conversations about what kind of
>> > > future we want to create together.
>> > >
>> > > The recommendations are not final. In order to get them to that
stage,
>> > > your input is needed! We would
like to hear from you all what
these
>> > > changes would mean for you in
your local or thematic context,
what do
>> > > you like about them, and where
you potentially see any red flags.
And
>> > > of course, always critically
question whether these
recommendations
>> > > support the strategic
direction.
>> > >
>> > > There are a few ways to do this:
>> > > * Read through the recommendations online and provide your input
>> > > directly on Meta. [2]
>> > > * If you will be at Wikimania, join us in the Wikimedia 2030
space.
>> [3]
>> > > * Attend a Strategy Salon hosted by an affiliate where you live.
[4]
>> > > * Reach out to a Strategy
Liaison in your language to share
feedback,
>> > > or lead a conversation of your
own. [5]
>> > >
>> > > Over the next month, working groups will take the input they
receive
>> > > into the recommendations,
alongside external advice and research,
and
>> > > use it to refine and finalize
them. Share your views, and help
shape
>> > > what Wikimedia will look like
in 2030 and beyond.
>> > >
>> > > If you have any questions or feedback, please feel free to get in
>> touch.
>> > >
>> > > Best wishes,
>> > >
>> > > Nicole
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > >
>> >
>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recomme…
>> > > [2]
>> > >
>> >
>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recomme…
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Co…
>> > > [5]
>> > >
>> >
>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/…
>> > >
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>> > >
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