Hi, list,
I'm not sure I'm in the right place to ask such questions, so please
point me to more correct place if you know it.
There was an ArbCom case in ruwiki about removing links to some website.
One of the arguments was the fact that this website contains
copyright-protected materials in such a way that violates right of
copyright holder. As an evidence we had clear license statement from the
copyright holder that explicitly forbid usage of copyright-protected
materials in such a way as they were used on the website. So ArbCom
ruled that due to absence of editorial necessity links to this site are
violation of copyright policy and therefore are forbidden. ArbCom cited
the policy en:WP:C and the case Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse
Ministry which is cited by that policy.
However, some editors argue that en:WP:C is neither ruwiki nor
Foundation policy, but just a policy of English Wikipedia, and therefore
Russian Wikipedia and ArbCom don't have to follow it. (We don't have
such copyright-based restrictions in our "External link" policy yet.)
They say that we put excessive burden on the editors and it is simply
not necessary to investigate facts of copyright violation on third-party
websites (at least, since there are no requests from copyright holders),
because we have no explicit statements of the Foundation that we have to
do it.
So my question is: are there any Foundation policy or statement about
it? Should Russian Wikipedia obey en:WP:C here, or we can make our own
decisions on this matter?
Thanks,
--
With best regards,
Ilya V. Schurov
[[User:Ilya Voyager]]
--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Ilya Schurov <ilya.schurov(a)noo.ru> wrote:
> Yes, it's clear. Nobody is going to require editors to do
> copyvio
> investigation of third-party resources before linking them.
> It's a
> conflict resolution matter: e.g. one editor claim that some
> site
> violates copyright and therefore we shouldn't link there,
> while the
> other editor try to put this link into the article and
> argue that
> copyright issues are not important here. ArbCom believes
> that the site
> under consider indeed violates copyright. Should we
> consider this as an
> argument to remove such link, or just ignore it?
Do you acknowledge that what you are suggesting would be immoral? Or is one of those situations were you believe the copyright claim is immoral itself and see the legal situation as some technicality based on a corruption of government? I know Russian copyright has a few areas that defy common sense.
Either way it would probably be best to follow to the rule of law, even when on stupid corner cases. Because in the long run different groups will have a different opinions on which cases qualify as stupid corner cases and always following the law is easier for the entire community to accept without fracturing.
But those are my personal thoughts. You probably won't get an actual straight answer here.
Birgitte SB
Hello,
I'm stuck in transation of the licensing update meta page into the
Polish language, and I am pretty sure I will be unable to handle
questions from the community regarding understanding of the "externally
contributed content" as used in the proposed terms and conditions.
There is some confusion regarding the term "third party" on the
meta page as well. This has been raised on a talk page already:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Licensing_update#Proposed_terms_of_use
Specifically, this point from the meta page:
"2. to require continued dual-licensing of new community edits in
this manner, but allow content from third parties to be under
CC-BY-SA only;"
Reading new terms and conditions one could have impression that we
create two categories of contributors:
- wikimedia community is bound to dual-license their contributions
- some third parties are allowed to use CC-BY-SA only.
I find this very confusing and most probably this is not an intended
effect.
Erik responded with "A very good point; I agree that we should try
to come up with a good definition of what "external" means here."
I think this point is critical to our understanding how of what is
the actual future licensing of the contributed content. If we don't
clarify, why we need those two categories of contributions (and
contributors!) and, if we need them, we clearly explain the distinction
between them - this is going to be a very bad change.
I personally find it very disturbing to have it unclear while the
vote is underway already and I don't like "We'll clarify this later,
just do vote now" attitude.
--
<< Marcin Cieslak // saper(a)system.pl >>
As you've probably seen by now, the vote on a possible update of
GFDL-licensed Wikimedia content is underway and will be closed by May
3. I've written a more detailed blog post here:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/04/14/vote-on-wikimedia-licensing-update-und…
And, of course, the proposal itself can be found here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/License_update
There's plenty of discussion on the talk page.
Translations (and review of translations) are still very much welcome. :-)
I want to take a brief moment to thank the licensing committee and the
translators, who have worked very hard in the last few weeks to make
this vote possible. I'm really really grateful for their support. I
also want to thank Tim Starling and Software in the Public Interest
for their technical work to pull this together. It's not over yet, but
still, I'm happy that we've made it this far. :-)
Thanks,
Erik
--
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Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
I have been approached by wikidocs about wikipedia and wikidocs working more closely together. A discussion has started here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Wikidoc.org The person who runs wikidocs is interested in discussing things further. http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/User_talk:C_Michael_Gibson
They are run under a similar philosophy as wikipedia. Making some of
wikidoc a sister project and combining the rest of it into wikipedia /
wikibooks would increase the quality of both. Cheers Doc James
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Geoffrey Plourde writes:
>
> While I may not be a lawyer, I believe that this system is a paper tiger.
> It is simply impossible for them to enforce it for many reasons.
>
> 1. It is impossible for us to determine which users are from South Korea
> 2. It would be a privacy violation to deliver names and numbers of non
> Koreans to the Korean government to be vetted for criminal purposes
> 3. There exists no means by which they can enforce this law upon the
> Foundation.
I think this is all basically correct, but would add that the limitations on
the amount of user data we keep now (see our Privacy Policy) mean that even
South Koreans have a lot of (effective) protection from government attempts
to extract "real name" information from Wikimedia databases. (I'll note that
edit histories, however, may have IP numbers that help identify particular
users to anyone who bothers to look -- this is perhaps a good reason for
South Koreans to use logins if they are going to edit.)
> That being said, I urge the Foundation to check system architecture and
> work towards placing all personal information databases in a country with
> real protections, like the United States. This will prevent any future
> problems of this nature.
Again, we don't have much in the way of personal information databases, but
what little we do have is based in the United States.
In general, I want folks in the Community to know:
1) We're watching S. Korea closely to determine whether their new "real
name" policy will affect our projects.
2) We would not change our privacy policy -- which limits the extent to
which it's possible in every case to identify particular users -- as a
result of such developments in S. Korea or anywhere else.
3) South Korea has little or no ability to impose any "real name"
identifying rules on us, not least because of our lack of a significant
organizational or economic presence there.
4) We don't currently anticipate anything precisely parallel to the blocking
issue in the UK some months ago. There is no sign yet that the S. Korean
government will take steps that would result in changes to S. Koreans'
ability to access our projects. True, what few steps they could take
unilaterally might limit South Koreans' access to our projects in some
indiscriminate way, but even in that extreme case it wouldn't result in our
changing our Privacy Policy.
--Mike
Hi!
It is totally clear that all the Wikipedias must respect and follow
some particular policies which are global for all the Wikipedias. The
question is what are these policies?
Each small Wikipedia doesn’t have all variety of policies and
guidelines which major Wikipedias have, and—it’s obvious—some time or
other they will need such a list of all-projects rules. What I found
for now is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:How_to_start_a_new_Wikipedia
with the rules of copyright, license, NPOV and “What Wikipedia is
not”, but this page “is obsolete or no longer maintained” (and there
is even no rule of “Five pillars”). There is also page
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Founding_principles exists, but it
seems to be relevant for all Wikimedia projects, not only Wikipedias
(“Five pillars”, “What Wikipedia is not” are missed). There are some
other pages exist, but they all are not relevant here as well.
So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there
global rules which all the Wikipedias must follow?
And one more question. What is the general practice of who and how can
decide whether something meets the (all-project) rules or not?
(This message was also posted to Wikimedia Forum on Meta).
Thanks,
zedlik
If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and
there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or
risk being blocked.
Techman224
According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begi…
,
"Google, the world’s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
to South Korea‘s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
agreeing to implement a “real name” system in which any South Korean
can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
implement real name system according to the regulation.
We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
April 10, 2009 URGENT MESSAGE
Cambodia Time Zone
Dear Sirs:
This is my LAST AND FINAL REQUEST TO YOU, " REMOVE MY EMAIL NAME FROM your fucking mailing list !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
You are pissing off the wrong American !!!!!!!!!!
Sgned Ron Studebaker
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:37:49 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea.
The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of
United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea
and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea
chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to
abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com>:
> Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia
> Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had
> business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and
there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or
risk being blocked.
Techman224
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:54:24 +0900
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We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo,
right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South
Korea.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Techman224 <techman224(a)yahoo.ca>:
> If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and
> there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or
> risk being blocked.
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From: Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
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No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own
different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what
content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about
Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their
law because our website is based in... Florida.
Mark
2009/4/9 RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>:
> I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea.
> The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of
> United Kingdom?
>
> But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea
> and some of ko.wp editors ?are preparing to establish South Korea
> chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to
> abide by the regulations of Korean government.
>
> ?I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
>
> -Cheol
>
> 2009/4/9 Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com>:
>> Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia
>> Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had
>> business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
>>
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:24:24 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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Of course, we can decide to follow or not, and I hope we decide not to.
I want you to be informed that we have the risk to be blocked from
South Korea and we could loose editors from South Korea.
I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government, 'cause I
don't want to say good bye to you all.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>:
> No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
>
> There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own
> different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what
> content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about
> Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their
> law because our website is based in... Florida.
>
> Mark
>
> 2009/4/9 RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>:
>> I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea.
>> The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of
>> United Kingdom?
>>
>> But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea
>> and some of ko.wp editors ?are preparing to establish South Korea
>> chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to
>> abide by the regulations of Korean government.
>>
>> ?I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
>>
>> -Cheol
>>
>> 2009/4/9 Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com>:
>>> Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had
>>> business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Studebaker <ronald57_2005(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14
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March 10, 2009????? *EMERGENCY MESSAGE*
9:30 AM
Dear Foundation Program:
As of this date, March 10, 2009 PLEASE DO NOT send to my email address any more of your messages.
Sincerely
Ron Studebaker
?
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:10:37 -0700
From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia is not yet renamed to
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On 4/6/09 3:28 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Cetateanu Moldovanu
> <cetateanumd(a)gmail.com>? wrote:
>> * you have promised that subdomain name mo will become mo-cyrl, it's april
>> now and mo is still not yet renamed.*
>
> None of the wikis have been moved yet, it's not that this situation is
> specific to mowiki.
No idea why this was sent to foundation-l since I already answered
directly...
Wikis have not been renamed yet since we have no infrastructure for
doing it. The requests are in the system and will be reached when we
have an opportunity to set up a renaming infrastructure -- none of the
renames are high priority, and there are plenty of things most members
of this list would rather see us do first. :)
-- brion
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:13:52 +0200
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Brion Vibber hett schreven:
> and there are plenty of things most members
> of this list would rather see us do first. :)
>?
Great to hear you are working on world peace...
As the developments on 'things most members of this list would like to
see' are rather slow, I'd say, you should urgently hire some more
people, who help you do the tasks that need to be done, or alternatively
make access to administrative tools easier, so that voluntary helpers
can help you do the tasks that need to be done.
Marcus Buck
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:53:53 +0100
From: "Mark (Markie)" <newsmarkie(a)googlemail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2009 Scholarships
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Wikimania 2009 [1], this year's global event devoted to Wikimedia [2]
projects around the globe, is now accepting *applications for
scholarships*to the conference. This year's conference will be handled
from August 26-28
in Buenos Aires [3], Argentina [4]. The scholarship can be used to help
offset the costs of travel and registration. For more information, check the
official information page [5]. Please remember that the Call for
Participation [6] is still open, please submit your papers! Without
submissions, Wikimania would not be nearly as fun!
[1] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal
[2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina
[5] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
[6] http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation
Regards
Mark
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:53:01 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real
??? name??? for Internet
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According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begi…
,
"Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean
can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
implement real name system according to the regulation.
We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:35:12 +0200
From: teun spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
??? real??? name for Internet
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea?s Act on the
Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User
Protection will go into effect".
That date smells ;-)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> According to this post,
>
> http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begi…
> ,
>
> "Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
> to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
> agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean
> can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
> registration number."
>
> Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
>
> Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
> implement real name system according to the regulation.
> We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
> more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
> South Korea.
>
> It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
>
> -Cheol
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:42:06 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
2009/4/9 teun spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com>:
> "oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea?s Act on the
> Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User
> Protection will go into effect".
> That date smells ;-)
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to this post,
>>
>> http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begi…
>> ,
>>
>> "Google, the world?s largest Internet company, has finally submitted
>> to South Korea?s unprecedented Internet regulations, including
>> agreeing to implement a ?real name? system in which any South Korean
>> can post their contents only after they confirm their resident
>> registration number."
>>
>> Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
>>
>> Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to
>> implement real name system according to the regulation.
>> We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have
>> more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from
>> South Korea.
>>
>> It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
>>
>> -Cheol
>>
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:04:57 -0700
From: Michael Snow <wikipedia(a)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
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RYU Cheol wrote:
> Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
>
> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
>?
However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report,
Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I
don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I
hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news
reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans
from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements
described.
--Michael Snow
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:19:41 +0900
From: RYU Cheol <rcheol(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on
??? real??? name for Internet
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Until today they were considering to implement, but finally they
decided to abandon the business in South Korea. Nobody who set his
profile to South Korea cannot upload video and cannot comments on
Youtube. Now you got it?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Michael Snow <wikipedia(a)verizon.net>:
> RYU Cheol wrote:
>> Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
>>
>> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
>>
> However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report,
> Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I
> don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I
> hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news
> reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans
> from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements
> described.
>
> --Michael Snow
>
>
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