I think we forget the mention of touching, even
if its a shoulder.
Touching can be very uncomfortable....
On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 12:17, Mykola Kozlenko <mycola-k(a)ukr.net> wrote:
Hi,
I am very sad to see this happen. I think this is a case when we cannot
gave a win-win implementation of the policy
* On one hand, Romaine *has* to be close to a person he is talking to,
otherwise he is unable to hear them. I know him, he really is.
* On the other hand, in some cultures standing very close to a person
who is not a friend can be really impolite. Some people prefer to keep more
distance when they are talking to someone. (See
https://simple.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_space )
* On one hand, entering a room when someone needs an item urgently can
be normal. A person quite legitimately may want to help as quickly as
possible when they are asked to.
* On the other hand, a person entering and immediately leaving the room
can indeed be a significant distraction for a speaker. A speaker may come
from a culture where such behaviour is considered impolite.
We are all coming from different backgrounds, and what is normal for one
person might be offensive to another. Looking forward, can we probably
assume more good faith? We might not be aware what another person's
background is, so perhaps we should begin with asking them why they are
doing that and why you are not OK with that.
Best regards,
Mykola (NickK)
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Від кого: "Lodewijk" <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
Дата: 20 липня 2018, 10:23:49
Hi all,
while I have much sympathy for Romaine, and cannot comprehend the
decision with the available information, I do want to guard us to continue
discussing this further here. We (even Romaine) have only a limited part of
the information available to us. I trust that Romaine works with the very
best intentions, and also that the Trust & Safety team has the best
intentions in their implementation. I also trust that the team will make a
full evaluation after Wikimania is completed as their default practice.
As part of this conversation, both here online and offline, I seem to
hear several people who are unhappy with how the policy is implemented. Let
us also recognize that it is important to have a friendly space - and that
this is a Hard Thing to accomplish. Agreeing or disagreeing in public with
a decision while only having part of the information can only make that job
harder and/or harm individuals.
If you have beef with the policy and how it is implemented, I suggest
that you try to set up a meetup with the Trust & Safety team, and you can
have a conversation with them about the broader policy. They can perhaps
share some rough broader statistics as part of that. Otherwise, it is
probably more appropriate to have this online discussion after the
conference has concluded, based on the policy and practices as a whole, and
not an individual case.
Just my two cents...
Lodewijk
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:15 AM Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
On 19 July 2018 at 20:30, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
- People say I have been talking to loud
Please be aware I have a hearing problem and I do
hear myself
Because of these complaints, it was demanded to
step down as a
volunteer
organiser for this year's Wikimania.
As someone with family members who are profoundly hard of hearing and
affected by tinnitus, I am sorry to learn that you have been
discriminated against in this way.
I hope that whoever is responsible for our safe spaces policy will
ensure that this does not happen to you - or anyone else - again.
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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