Praveen,
Of course I follow what you are saying. I also agree that now is the time
to have this conversation after Wikimania is ended and before the next
Wikimania scholarships process begins. For the feedback from scholars, see
this link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Past_Wikimanias
Here are 15 reports by earlybirds on their Wikimania productivity:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania/Scholarships/Reports/2015
I just reread what Gerard wrote here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2015-July/006921.html
I agree with everything he wrote and I do think there is a huge bias in the
scholarships committee towards people who can present well and who can
"sell" themselves as productive Wikimanians in English. The sticky question
of what makes a "productive Wikimanian" is quite an interesting one and it
would be worthwhile to put some time into it. Anything you come up with on
the nationality bias would benefit the entire non-US community, not just
the Malayalam community.
If one compares the Dutch community to other European communities regarding
number of speakers, number of articles in their language-pedia and so on, I
think the number of Dutch "productive Wikimanians" has been very high from
year to year. That said, it is also true that for many Dutch people under
the age of 60, they can read and write English quite fluently. This makes
it quite easy for them to present and sell their ideas in English.
Jane
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:59 AM, praveenp <me.praveen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Osmar Valdebenito,
No offense was intended :-(. For prominent communities that may be true,
but could you check list of users who got scholarship from Malayalam
community.
Amir Ladsgroup,
1) As you can see there is nothing confidential or personal in Gerards
reply. He just gave a summary of "known" practices.
2) Users are not asking for trophies. They also want to participate
Wikimania and share and get the experience.
3) Wikimedia projects are community processes. I simply don't understand
how granting scholarship to same persons again and again for five or six
years help that process. I also dont understand that communication and
sharing of multiple viewpoints, ideas and practices is possible in the
above scenario.
4) Yes; If clicking tick marks in translatewiki on some 500 string in 5
minutes before applying for scholarship (as reviewing the translation) is a
prominent contribution.
In the beginning every body treated equal, we have multiple participants
(with understandable reasons) for Wikimania. It started to shrink later and
now people plainly believe granting scholarship is an act of favoritism. I
also want to prove I am wrong.
Regards,
Praveen. P
User:Praveenp
PS: Mail striped because mailman held my previous reply claiming " Message
body is too big:"
On Friday 31 July 2015 05:03 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
There are several issues I want to comment:
1-First of all. Do you have permission from Gerard to publish your
conversation? Maybe there is something confidential in it, Did you care to
check?
2- Scholarship is not award or trophy, bear that in mind.
3- People are expected to come here and learn, communicate, etc. that's
why a same person gets scholarship,
4- No one's wife got scholarship because of being wife of someone. They
probably are prominent contributors too.
5- Check my first question and answer that. (Emphasizing)
Best
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:05 AM Osmar Valdebenito <
b1mbo.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, but when I read "No regular
Wikimedian get any scholarship", I
stopped reading.
It is not only a lie, but also very unfair to all the extremely great
Wikimedians that attended and made great contributions in Wikimania, and
also the volunteers that have helped now and in the past reviewing and
evaluated thousand of applications in the Scholarship Committee.
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