On 13.10.2013 19:06, Lodewijk wrote:
I don't think it would be very helpful to transfer
them already if
there is no possibility yet to display them on Wikipedia directly from
Wikidata. Because that would basically mean that if you want to make
an improvement, you would have to do so on two places: on wikipedia,
and in wikidata.
Also, I understood Wikidata can't handle all the data types yet that
we need.
Lodewijk
Hi Lodewijk,
actually, there are two separate issues.
Wikidata can not handle the list property yet, indeed. My point is that
we can actually make the lists without transferring them as lists, but
by transferring individual properties and reading them in Wikipedia via
lua templates (which is already possible). On Wikipedia, one can then
combine the templates into lists, pretty much in the same way it is done
now. A great advantage would be a great facilitation of translations
(one would only need to translate the names, the data is already there)
and of improvement (one picture added would show up in all lists at the
same time).
For lists like World Heritage this can be done now, since all entries
from the lists are notable and have their Wikidata entries.
For lists like Rijksmonumenten all the entries are notable, but some do
not have Wikipedia articles and are unlikely to have them in the future.
Thus, they are in principle notable for Wikidata, but some care needs to
be exercised since some Wikidata users have tendency to nominate items
without Wikipedia/Wikivoyage links for deletion. This can be overcome
(for example, individual Commons categories is one way to go), but
requires some brainstorming on Wikidata.
Individual Wikipedia/Wikivoyage projects can of course decide for
themselves whether they want to use this option or continue for the time
being with the "traditional" lists.
Cheers
Yaroslav
PS And I believe we would be in a better shape to discuss this when
WLM-2014 has been completed in a month and we all have our hands free.