I think these kind of technical fixes are red
herrings. Dynamic IPs, proxies, people editing from
the same IP because they work for the same company or
go to the same school etc, and the ability to set up
dozens of email addresses very easily cause problems
here. It will simply lead to more witch-hunting.
Mark
--- Anthony DiPierro <mcfly.org(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:48:50 -0800, Jimmy (Jimbo)
Wales
<jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:
Regarding sockpuppets and the 3RR rule.
I'm sympathetic. It's a tough problem, though.
However, I think our biggest headache has been the
sort of user who is
*above* using sockpuppets, but *not above*
getting
into a revert war
so long as we didn't have enforcement.
In the past, perhaps. but giving sockpuppets this
extra advantage will
quickly shift the problem to those users. I don't
think shifting the
problem is what we should be doing, we should
instead work towards
resolving the problem.
Part of that involves defining the problem, and one
thing I do think
we will gain from the 3RR is a better understanding
of the underlying
issues. Revert wars are a symptom, but once we get
the symptom out of
the way maybe we can better get to the root. This
is why while I have
voted no on strictly enforcing the 3RR I don't
strongly oppose it.
I'd like to add that I don't think we should be
giving admins access
to IP logs or forcing users to provide an email
address. I think it's
enough to simply declare that reverts of anonymous
users, banned
users, or obvious sockpuppets don't count toward the
3RR. Maybe
"obvious sockpuppets" isn't declared well enough,
but saying that any
user who has made 10 edits over the course of
48-hours shouldn't be
considered a sockpuppet (for the purpose of this
rule) would be enough
to avoid most abuse. The user would have to make
good edits for two
days and then suddenly start revert warring, and any
user who does
that will quickly get banned.
Alternatively stated, any user would be on probation
for the first 48
hours of editing, and would be subject to reversion
by any other user.
I'd much rather see this than rely on email
addresses and IP
addresses. Besides the privacy concerns, this is
relatively easier to
circumvent anyway (kind of like the 3RR itself).
Anthony
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