(RESENT) Still having a word wrap problem...
--- MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
While the red template looks great...
My gosh - thanks. (blush - hope my lines indent
properly BTW)
...it doesn't help
explain to people
what's wrong with the article. We do use our own
language of shortcuts of
sorts - NPOV, POV, Merge, etc. And while I think
that we can get carried away
with the acronyms (I do it too - FLOABT, etc), I dont
think that Wikipedia
readers are retards. Hence while its proper to be
explanatory, its not proper to
assume end user stupidity. People learn rather quickly
that if they click on a
link - they can go to some place that explains the
links. If its done right,
the explanation will be well written and even a few
sentences may be enough to
satisfy the need for info.
I'm not a newbie, but
if we put tags on
an article we should make sure a casual reader as
well as newbie and
experienced editors understands what it means.
How do we do that? Even with the current templates, I
have no idea what the
real issues of dispute are - nor should I know these
from the talk page.
Granted each link should link directly to a talk page
section, but I was lazy,
and thought somebody might just restore the status
quo. They did shortly after
- so whats the point of doing anything at all? At
least we can agree that the
status quo does not work: It does little more than
explain in pedantic language
the general fact that theres some dispute going on,
and then (as Alphax
agreed) just says "see the talk page." Not only is it
no more useful than the
{{editag}} idea, its also an excessive WP:Self ref on
the article - hence its a
blight, and an obstacle to reading articles. I think
this adds to the overall
impression of Wikipedias "second rate" status.
Having the word
"mergefrom" in a red box on top of an article really
isn't helpful.
What problem is it trying to solve? Is it meant to
save the space the
templates take or don't you like how it is now?
Its meant to provide due notice of a dispute while
limiting the disruption
factor such notices. Its tidying up our messes - and
yes, it dispenses with the
illusion that such disriptions are somehow inherently
helpful. For those who
claim that "well the excessive disruptiveness of
these templates motivate
editors to fix the problem," Id like to see some
support for that claim. I
rather think that people have just gotten used to
them, and that some have
gotten in the habit of using these messages (and the
processes they represent)
to keep an article in state of perpetual disarray.
Personally I can see nothing wrong with the current
templates, but if it must change, just put the
merge bit
(and all > suggested actions)
above the "disputed" heading and only put
disputed
stuff below it.
> --Mgm
Mechanically, the Disputed: header is stuck as being a
header. You havent
answered my question that you suggest a better term.
Separate editags for
general "disputes" and for "suggestions?" Is that
what you are suggesting?
SV
__________________________________
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com