The problem boils down to one of POV. No, I don't care
about a school in west nowhere, and I don't care about
a foreign handbag company. I care about Pokemon
characters, I don't care about Indian villages.
Slashdot jokes are in, high schools are out. Obscure
varients of Linux are in, obscure Hong Kong companies
are out.
The question is not 'are people within their "rights"'
to delete things that don't interest them, but does it
serve the creation of a neutral and wide scope
encyclopedia. We are removing content simply because
(mostly) American techies think it is unimportant.
That's what really bothers me.
Mark
--- John Lee <johnleemk(a)gawab.com> wrote:
I believe in one of my more recent mails, I quoted
[[What Wikipedia is
not]] stating that it is not an exhaustive list by
any means.
In any case, Mark, while there is no consensus to
delete schools, there
is none to keep them either. Thus, I'd say those who
are listing them
are acting within their rights, because schools
aren't covered by any
policy; thus we decide them on a case-by-case basis.
Democracy is always
unfair to someone, but if there was a real
miscarriage of justice, how
come much of the community doesn't care we're
deleting oh so important
articles on Hong Kong handbag companies or high
schools? (Of course,
there's the issue of whether there was true
consensus; in quite a few,
there hasn't been any.)
It so happens that most people on VFD are
deletionists. Inclusionists
argue this is unfair as important articles are
unfairly deleted.
However, this calls to mind a recent post to this
list by, if I'm not
mistaken, Dpbsmith: Most people ARE a "strong
neutral" on these; they
don't care whether these articles stay or go. I am
of the same opinion.
If they really felt the system is unfair, they'd
either pack up and
leave (those who have done this are so few, I doubt
their existence) or
complain. So far the only people complaining are
those from the extreme
inclusionist camp. Therefore, much of the community
couldn't care less
about the fate of school articles. Delete all
articles with the word
"green"? If they found out, they'd almost certainly
be livid. Delete all
school articles? Lots probably would care (I mean,
would you delete an
article on [[Eton]] or one of those posh prep
schools?). Delete an
article on, say, [[Allerton High School]]? Most
wouldn't and don't care.
The community is fine with the current practice,
whether it's in line
with policy or not. Remember, policy and VFD exist
to serve the
community. They are the means to an end. Not an end
in themselves.
John Lee
([[User:Johnleemk]])
Phil Sandifer wrote:
I am not sure how to respond to this, beyond to
note that you seem to
be demonstrating comparable skill in reading my
posts that you are in
reading the deletion policy.
-Snowspinner
On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Mark Richards wrote:
> This is just pants.
> It is clear that these are the reason for
deletion,
> not just some 'ideas to use as a
springboard for
your
> deletion antics'.
> Mark
>
> --- Phil Sandifer <sandifer(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> No. It is a list of "Problems that may require
>> deletion." Nowhere on
>> any deletion policy page, however, does it say
that
>> the list is meant
>> to be exhaustive. Contrast with the blocking
policy,
>> which actually
>> says "Blocking should not be used in any other
>> circumstances." The
>> deletion policy does not say that. The deletion
>> guidelines for
>> administrators say nothing about taking into
account
>> invalid reasons
>> for listing. Votes for deletion says nothing
about
>> invalid reasons for
>> listing.
>>
>> You are citing policy that does not exist.
>>
>> If you want to change the rules, more power to
you.
>> If you want to
>> engage in an act of Wiki-disobedience, go for
it.
>>
>> But don't pretend the rules back you up on it.
>>
>> -Snowspinner
>> On Oct 25, 2004, at 3:05 PM, Mark Richards
wrote:
>>
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