Hmm. tough one.
I do think there was general perception that TRUE consensus does not
scale as too many people get involved, and that as a result two bad
things happen:
1. Some votes get held hostage by a single bad actor
2. Some people are afraid to voice disagreement in fear of upsetting
the consensus
I walked away thinking that Kelly's best way to prove this, is to show
analytically the average time to get a vote, and the % of votes being
approved - and see if the data proves that as the number of people with
a vote increases, the time to decisions slows to a crawl, and more and
more decisions never happen.
If true- it would be pretty compelling. No one in the room seemed to
have a religious belief that 100% AYE votes were per-se the right answer
Gil
Gil(a)wikia.com
Kelly Martin wrote:
I don't think there was consensus on anything;
there were some
strongly held opinions in the room and not all of them were mine.
There seemed to be a general feeling that RfA on WP is no longer a
consensus mechanism, but instead a supermajority mechanism, and that
RfA does not do a very good job of selecting administrators, but also
not a very bad one.
There was some discussion of alternative mechanisms for consensus
building, such as the ASF and another site the name of which eludes
me.
I think it's better for someone other than myself to try to summarize
the points as I was a biased participant rather than an impartial
observer. Perhaps Gil Penchina, who graciously moderated the
discussion, or one of the observers who was not from enwiki, could
provide a better summary than I.
Kelly
On 8/23/06, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/22/06, Kelly Martin
<kelly.lynn.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It was a BoF discussion. There were essentially no materials
presented; I made a short extemporaneous opening statement, and then
opened the floor for discussion, which ensued for about an hour.
There may be an audio recording, although if there is I am not aware
of it. Sorry.
Was there any consensus on whether consensus scales? :)
Even a roundup of any general themes would be very useful and
interesting.
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
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