on 10/9/07 11:49 PM, David Goodman at
dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com wrote:
Marc, I now ask you whether,m having made what I
think to be a correct
diagnosis, you have from your experience any suggestions for
improvement beyond the hope that
"If a part of those core values is respect for the individual, then, by
reaching out to those individuals we will be reinforcing both the individual
and those values. These groups are made up of individuals who want to be
seen and dealt with as such; and not as merely one expendable drop in a
massive sea."
Not that this is wrong--it is totally right as far as it goes. But how
can we institutionally encourage this?
David,
In very short: for a start we could begin by greatly improving how we talk
to each other.
There are very effective steps, and indeed entire programs, that could be
instituted in the Project that would, in time, profoundly improve the very
culture of the Project - which is what we are really talking about here.
I have concrete proposals for implementing such programs. BUT, to lay them
out here now would be a complete waste of time. BECAUSE, aside from you and
a few others, most people on this List appear to believe that the culture of
the Project is just fine as it is. To seriously discuss solutions to a
problem, there must first be an agreement that such a problem exists.
We keep talking about what Wikipedia is & is not. As we look to the future
we should also be asking what else it could be.
Marc
>
> On 10/9/07, K P <kpbotany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/8/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What does matter is the individual contributor's ability to interact in
a
>>> constructive way with another contributor.
>> ....
>>>
>>> The problems are not with the Community, but with the individual members
who
>>> make up that community.
>>>
>>> Marc Riddell
>>>
>> Geeze, Marc, you just won't let go about personal responsibility, will you?
>>
>> On the other hand, when I act badly, I usually am the one to blame for
>> it. But it just seems so simple, in a way.
>>
>> KP
We can always create another mailing list, or a discussion project on
en.wikipedia or meta somewhere.
I agree that there are cultural issues, but my long experience with
internet culture makes me tend to think that there aren't real
"solutions" for them per se. However, I am open to having my mind
changed on that point.
--
-george william herbert
george.herbert(a)gmail.com