On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The explosion of comments from outright reliable
sources (Raph Koster
and Richard Bartle, even when blogging, are reliable secondary
sources) makes this a clear-cut notable article at present. I may
recreate, using Bartle and Koster exclusively as two sources.
But yes - the point stands. Contentious AfDs - including ones that got
wide attention off of Wikipedia - should be closed by someone with
knowledge about the subject, or at least a consult. Go talk to an
editor in the area. Hell, go to WikiProject Video Games, ask for a
consult.
If you don't know the topic and it's a controversial AfD, don't close
it.
-Phil
On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
"Wikipedia editors should really have enough
knowledge about their
subject matter to make choices based on good judgement rather than
strict
adherence to flawed guidelines. Any guideline, law or contract doesn't
absolve one from using one's brain — these things are just
frameworks for
handling worst-case scenarios better.
http://www.unwesen.de/articles/wikipedia_on_mud_history
This is what is frustrating to me. Although I am not recognized
expert on
MUDs, I know enough that the decision made is obviously wrong, while
those making the decision seem entirely innocent of the subject.
Fred
On Jan 10, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wrote:
Gah. What's bothersome here is that it has a Computer Gaming Magazine
reference and a quote from Bartle, one of the iconic figures in MUD
design. Those are two significant references. But the CGM reference
was actually *ignored* in the deletion close because it was
unverified.
Yes. Now we're treating print referencing with suspicion and
hostility. Fucking brilliant.
-Phil
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Blogs do not become reliable sources because someone suddenly wants to
write an article on something, and they certainly do not establish
notability. Anyone can blog about anything, so that doesn't establish
any significance whatsoever.
--
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows.