Hoi,
When Commons started, you could not use pictures from Commons on any Wiki.
There are advantages to provide functionality once it is available. It
allow for it to grow into its own being. When you provide functionality all
in one go, it will take much longer to get anything at all and there will
be little or no user involvement in what it looks like.
Providing functionality as it becomes available is something MediaWiki is
known for. It is a good thing.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 8 February 2013 10:30, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sven,
I see your point, since I also spent some time creating data items for
a while and then stopped. I disagree that this means that I lost
interest. I am still very interested, and I was also somewhat puzzled
by the new look. I disagree though that this release causes any more
confusion than the first one did. Of course every release will go
slower than projected, and of course it will have bugs and cause
confusion. I also see no problem with the English Wikipedia
implementation, because the consensus (as far as I understand it) is
that there will be no automatic edits to the English Wikipedia
resulting from Wikidata.
I think you need to see this as a second implementation of Wikimedia
Commons. That implementation had no automatic edits to the English
Wikipedia either, though bots were developed to ease this migration as
a way to seed Wikimedia Commons with images that could be used by more
than one language. I expect something similar to occur with Wikidata.
Not all local images on the English Wikipedia have been migrated to
Wikimedia Commons yet. Many of them never will be (these are the "fair
use images"), but many are just not seen enough or have too little
metadata to do this responsibly.
Jane
2013/2/8, Sven Manguard <svenmanguard(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hello there. I have been an active and vocal
supporter of Wikidata since
almost the day it went live, and after giving Phase II a legitimate
chance,
I have to say that in my opinion the decision to
deploy Phase II with
only
a small number of the expected features has been
a massive mistake. Yes,
I
understand that the project was losing momentum
and that several people
commented that they felt that there was nothing to do on the project
before
Phase II hit, however the partial release has
caused considerable
confusion, and worse, has caused people to make decisions *based on what
is
available now* as opposed to based on *what would
be the best choice in
the
long term*.
It would have been one thing if Phase II were released with 80% of its
projected features and an official list from the developers of the things
that were left out. Instead we got what I have to guess is around 10% of
the projected features, and if there's an official list of things that
are
missing or a timeline of when they're going
to appear, I haven't seen it.
I also have to question the timing of the release, bringing Phase II live
just before Wikidata hits English Wikipedia. Was this done on purpose to
try and bring over some of the Wikipedia editors? If not, the timing is
awful. Nothing of this scale and level of technical sophistication ever
gets deployed to English Wikipedia smoothly, and I think that the near
future is going to show that the English Wikipedia deployment is going to
be competing with the Phase II rollout for the time of the coders, who
will
need to fix bugs in both areas.
I'm sorry for being so pessimistic, but I really do feel let down by this
release. It's like being told that you're going to watch a feature film
and
then only getting the official trailer. The
trailer is good, but it's not
what people were expecting and it's not particularly valuable on its own.
I look forward to any response that the Wikidata staff or the community
might have to this.
Sven
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