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Lydia Pintscher

5 Feb 2013 5 Feb '13

9:56 a.m.

Heya folks :) Sorry I completely forgot to also send an email here yesterday night. The first parts of phase 2 are now live on wikidata.org. More details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-goin… Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Bináris

5 Feb 5 Feb

12:18 p.m.

Congrats! -- Bináris

Marco Fleckinger

12:28 p.m.

+1 On 02/05/2013 01:18 PM, Bináris wrote:

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Congrats!

Nicholas Humfrey

2:26 p.m.

On 05/02/2013 09:56, "Lydia Pintscher" <lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

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This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192 And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined? Thanks, nick. ----------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -----------------------------

Lydia Pintscher

2:58 p.m.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey <nicholas.humfrey(a)bbc.co.uk> wrote:

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This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

Thank you!

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I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192 And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?

I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Mathieu Stumpf

6 Feb 6 Feb

8:47 a.m.

Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :

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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey <nicholas.humfrey(a)bbc.co.uk> wrote:

This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

Thank you!

I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.

About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political role" category. Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to. Cheers Mathieu -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/

Dennis Tobar

4:17 p.m.

Hi: As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género", the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es) Is it any bug or feature? Regards On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf < psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org> wrote:

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Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey

<nicholas.humfrey(a)bbc.co.uk> wrote:

This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

Thank you! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192> And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8295… But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?

I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.

-- Dennis Tobar Calderón Ingeniero en Informática UTEM

Marco Fleckinger

4:25 p.m.

Hi, On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote:

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Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es

If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially): "Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is associated with language code 'es'." Cheers, Marco

Dennis Tobar

4:30 p.m.

ops, I forgot translate it!... thanks! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Marco Fleckinger < marco.fleckinger(a)wikipedia.at> wrote:

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Hi, On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote:

Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially):

"Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is associated with language code 'es'." Cheers, Marco ______________________________**_________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l<https://lists.…

-- Dennis Tobar Calderón Ingeniero en Informática UTEM

Bináris

8:31 p.m.

This two words are identical in Hungarian, too. 2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar <dennis.tobar(a)gmail.com>

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Bináris

Denny Vrandečić

9:39 p.m.

It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered to be unacceptable usability-wise). That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears. Cheers, Denny 2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar <dennis.tobar(a)gmail.com>

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Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey

<nicholas.humfrey(a)bbc.co.uk> wrote:

This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!

Thank you! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:

I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.

-- Dennis Tobar Calderón Ingeniero en Informática UTEM _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

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Dennis Tobar

7 Feb 7 Feb

1:29 a.m.

Do'h... I understand the problem, but I can't think how solve the problem... maybe we translate "gender" as "género" and "genus" as "género taxonomico" (adding a word): isn't a beautiful way to solve the problem, but it's a good way to keep the same idea of "unique property name". Cheers On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

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Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey

<nicholas.humfrey(a)bbc.co.uk> wrote: > This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress! > Thank you! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: > http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192> > > And make him a Politician: > http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8295… > > But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. > How > is the list of allowed values defined? > I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.

-- Dennis Tobar Calderón Ingeniero en Informática UTEM

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Bináris
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Mathieu Stumpf
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