Thinking about it again, and discussing it internally,
maybe we should
replace "word" with "expression" and "meaning" with
"sense"?
Any +1's or differing opinions?
2013/6/20 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic(a)wikimedia.de>
The current proposal does not cover grammar rules
explicitly. If at all,
I would regard that as a later extension once the lexical information is in
place. Also, my limited understanding of the topic does not even allow for
coming up with a data model to cover grammar rules, or to know whether
there is something like sufficiently widely accepted models to represent
grammar, or if there are still discussions whether Chomsky or Systemic
Functional Grammars or whatever else would make the cut...
Regarding "word" vs "expression" - I do not care much about the
actual
term, and it seems that both seem valid. With the suggested change from
"meaning" to "word sense" though, it might make more sense to keep
"word"
here. But as said, no strong opinion here. I definitively see that saying
that <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/carry_coals_to_Newcastle> is a
"word" is kinda weird. "expression" would fix that.
Any further opinions?
Cheers,
Denny
2013/6/19 David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>
Hi Denny,
Thank you very much for this fantastic update about the intentions of
supporting a semantic dictionary in Wikidata :)
Just a minor correction: I think instead of "word", it should be
"expression" because some languages don't follow the same logic.
On the other hand, do you think it would be possible to accommodate
grammar rules too?
I have added some people from Apertium that might have some insights
about it.
Cheers,
Micru
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić <
denny.vrandecic(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hello,
I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and
Wiktionary to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve
all use cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement.
<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary>
To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this
topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are
building on top of that.
I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to
the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently
reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal.
It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion
page on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there.
<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary>
Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not
started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and
this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly,
it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although
this depends on the results of the discussion obviously).
Cheers,
Denny
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