Dear all,
I thank you for your efforts. I have to thank Dr. Andra Waagmeester, Dr. Finn Årup Nielsen and Dr. Egon Willighagen for their comments concerning the points I raised in Wikidata. These comments were useful to learn about ShEx project. I saw several papers about the project at http://labra.weso.es/ and I was honoured to see how it can provide schemas for Wikidata classes that can be later used to validate Wikidata. I ask if someone is interested in creating shape expressions of Medical Wikidata classes. As well, I tried to access http://wikidata-shex.wmflabs.org/w/index.php. However, it does not work. I ask about how to use Wikidata ShEx. I also ask if a tool can be developed to turn a Wikidata statement in red if it does not correspond to the shape expressions of the class of its subject.
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Dear Sir,
I thank you for your answer. I thank you as well for your comments. Concerning the description logics layer, it is mainly needed to find inconsistency or disagreement between Wikidata statements. As I had shown in Wikimania 2019, if X is a drug for Y and Y is a drug for X then one of these two defined statements is wrong. Concerning the ontology for the stages of diseases, it can be involved if I have a research paper as a reference for each Wikidata statement.
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-------- Message d'origine --------
De : Andra Waagmeester <andra(a)micel.io>
Date : 2019/08/21 20:14 (GMT+01:00)
À : Discussion list for the Wikidata project <wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Objet : Re: [Wikidata] Important, Critical issues related to Wikidata
2. .I ask if Wikidata can involve a description logics layer for properties that can be later used to find data inconsistencies within Wikidata.
This exactly one of the use cases we use ShEx for, i.e. inconsistency or disagreement between resources. Wikidata does not reflect the true, but (partly) reflect what other resources describe on a selected matter. There are many examples of Wikidata where different items state opposite statements. This is fine. Any issue known on Wikidata, provided the references are correct and the values are not distorted in the ingestion process, basically needs to be discussed with the primary source, not with Wikidata. ShEx provides the instrument to identify items relevant to your view, versus items disagreeing with your view on the matter.
4. We should either change CC-0 into CC-BY Licence or try to convince the creators of ontologies to change the licence of their works into CC-0.
I am excited you are joining us in our quest for more CC0 data. More and more data is adopting the CC0 license. I really like the following blog on the matter https://osc.universityofcalifornia.edu/2016/09/cc-by-and-data-not-always-a-…
7. I think that we should be an ontology for the stages of diseases.
Wikidata is not a primary source, point me to a ontology of stages of disease and I will add it to wikidata.
Dear Sir,
I thank you for your answer. The reference explains how such a situation is in part accurate. However, this is not the only situation where the use of instance of and subclass of is problematic. Please refer to https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2891117 for such matters.
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De : Egon Willighagen <egon.willighagen(a)gmail.com>
Date : 2019/08/21 20:02 (GMT+01:00)
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Objet : Re: [Wikidata] Important, Critical issues related to Wikidata
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:44 PM Houcemeddine A. Turki
<turkiabdelwaheb(a)hotmail.fr> wrote:
>
> I thank you for your efforts. It was an honour for me to meet you in Stockholm. Concerning the points you raised, I
> 1. Concerning the problematic use of Instance of and SubClass of, I invite you to see https://tinyurl.com/y29lx9o4. This seems to be not accurate as drugs differ from drug classes from a pharmacological view. For example, Artemisinin, Ibuprofen and Sobosbuvir are drugs. However, drug classes should include antibiotics and antivirals. Concerning WikiProject Ontology, I know it. The project succeeded to solve many matters related to the structure of Wikidata. However, the project is slow.
To me this is actually a nice example of *why* we need to distinction.
Sobosbuvir as in instance is often the active ingredient.
Sobosbuvir as a class is often the formulation, which is not a single
entity, but a class of formulations with different amounts (and
concentrations) of active ingredient
It's just that in street/common language (not wrong, just different!)
we don't use different words for it. Instance-vs-subclass are tools
that help us make this distinction.
Now, related to this, plz have a look at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry where
class and instance are both used, for good reasons.
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Dear Wikibase fans,
I was trying to remove aliasses with QuickStaements (on the FactGrid installation).
The specific removal seems to be impossible without more technical knowledge (if I read this correctly: https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/wikidata-todo/issues/114/quickstatements…)
Is there a way just to remove all the aliasses of a bulk of items?
QuickStatement Wikidata-Help says "If you want to remove a label/description/sitelink, the value has to be an empty string and the rest of the command will be the same." the word alias is not in this list - or I may not have understood what an empty string would look like.
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Dear Sir,
I thank you for your efforts. It was an honour for me to meet you in Stockholm. Concerning the points you raised, I
1. Concerning the problematic use of Instance of and SubClass of, I invite you to see https://tinyurl.com/y29lx9o4. This seems to be not accurate as drugs differ from drug classes from a pharmacological view. For example, Artemisinin, Ibuprofen and Sobosbuvir are drugs. However, drug classes should include antibiotics and antivirals. Concerning WikiProject Ontology, I know it. The project succeeded to solve many matters related to the structure of Wikidata. However, the project is slow.
2. Concerning SQID and ShEx, they are interesting projects. However, this is not what I mean. I ask if Wikidata can involve a description logics layer for properties that can be later used to find data inconsistencies within Wikidata.
3. The principle of enriching Wikidata within labels, Wikidata statements and statement references is simple using citation indexes such as PubMed. For adding a reference to a Wikidata statement X(A,B), we should only search for (X AND A AND B) using PubMed and find the most relevant result.
4. We should either change CC-0 into CC-BY Licence or try to convince the creators of ontologies to change the licence of their works into CC-0.
5. Using a constraint is an excellent idea. I ask if sensitivity and specificity can be used as constraints https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_and_specificity. The matter of these two metrics is that they can vary from a study to another.
6. Concerning CC-0 Lexicons, I can cite Onto.PT https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259935306_OntoPT_Recent_developmen….
7. I think that we should be an ontology for the stages of diseases.
8. Reasonator is based on POS Tagging of Wikipedia. https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=1339&lang=en. However, this is not important. The most important fact is how to use Wikidata labels to ameliorate translations of Mediawiki messages.
9. I agree on the fact that the creation of new properties can solve this problem.
Yours Sincerely,
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De : fn(a)imm.dtu.dk
Date : 2019/08/21 15:49 (GMT+01:00)
À : wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Objet : Re: [Wikidata] Important, Critical issues related to Wikidata
On 21/08/2019 13:20, Houcemeddine A. Turki wrote:
> Dear Ms.,
> I thank you for your efforts. I tried to contact Ms. Léa Lacroix and Ms.
> Lydia. However, I failed due to my participation to many sessions. I saw
> Ms. Lydia when returning to the hotel on the third day. But, I had to go
> for the old town. I had nine points to raise:
> 1. Instance of and Subclass of are not well defined for users although
> they are quite different. I ask if these two properties can be merged as
> is-a. This will be easier to process by users and developers.
I would say in most Semantic Web applications there is a distinction
between class and instance. I wonder if you can give examples of the
problem. I see that diseases are instances of diseases which may be
contested. Are you aware of WikiProject Ontology
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology
> 2. There is a large misuse of Wikidata properties. I ask if it will be
> possible to add description logics to Wikidata properties so that such
> matters will not happen.
We have property suggestions and ShEx which might help. There is also
SQID webservice https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid which is of help.
> 3. There is a lack of several labels, statements and references in
> Wikidata. I ask if it will be interesting for Wikimedia Deutschland to
> work with us on using citation indexes to enrich and verify the
> information provided by Wikidata.
I wonder if you could be more concrete here.
It more sounds like editor issues?
> 4. Legal issues related to data integration into Wikidata still exist.
> There was a session in Wikimania about this. However, this should be
> ameliorated.
I which way should it be ameliorated? Should we leave CC0?
> 5. Some statements are more important than other ones. For example,
> medical signs that rarely exist or that are not specific should given
> less weight than important signs. Using fuzzy logic is important here.
That has also bothered me. To a certain extent qualifiers may be used.
> 6. Several CC-0 Online Lexicons already exist. I ask if there is a
> possibility to speed up integrating them to LexData.
Could you give some pointers to this? For modern Danish, I know
Q66371001 which is CC0, but not much more. I am under the impression
that Basque has been setup automatically presumable from an existing
resource.
> 7. Wikidata property constraints should be ameliorated. For example,
> medical signs of a disease should be associated to the corresponding
> statuses of the disease.
I suppose one could create items for stages.
> 8. Wikidata Labels can be used to translate Mediawiki messages using the
> principle of Reasonator.
Perhaps to a certain extent. Currently translatewiki is used. That has
review option. I am not sure that Wikidata can be used to translated
messages such as "Write a helpful note for {{GENDER:$1|$1}} and future
reviewers."
I am not sure what "the principle of Reasonator" is.
> 9. In a Wikidata statement, the object can be a triple. For example, X
> Known for (X Co-founder of Y). I ask if this fact can become supported
> by Wikidata.
Qualifiers to a certain extent makes that possible. Perhaps new
properties are necessary.
best regards
Finn
> I ask if we can have an online meeting to discuss these nine points
> Yours Sincerely,
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Dear Ms.,
I thank you for your efforts. I tried to contact Ms. Léa Lacroix and Ms. Lydia. However, I failed due to my participation to many sessions. I saw Ms. Lydia when returning to the hotel on the third day. But, I had to go for the old town. I had nine points to raise:
1. Instance of and Subclass of are not well defined for users although they are quite different. I ask if these two properties can be merged as is-a. This will be easier to process by users and developers.
2. There is a large misuse of Wikidata properties. I ask if it will be possible to add description logics to Wikidata properties so that such matters will not happen.
3. There is a lack of several labels, statements and references in Wikidata. I ask if it will be interesting for Wikimedia Deutschland to work with us on using citation indexes to enrich and verify the information provided by Wikidata.
4. Legal issues related to data integration into Wikidata still exist. There was a session in Wikimania about this. However, this should be ameliorated.
5. Some statements are more important than other ones. For example, medical signs that rarely exist or that are not specific should given less weight than important signs. Using fuzzy logic is important here.
6. Several CC-0 Online Lexicons already exist. I ask if there is a possibility to speed up integrating them to LexData.
7. Wikidata property constraints should be ameliorated. For example, medical signs of a disease should be associated to the corresponding statuses of the disease.
8. Wikidata Labels can be used to translate Mediawiki messages using the principle of Reasonator.
9. In a Wikidata statement, the object can be a triple. For example, X Known for (X Co-founder of Y). I ask if this fact can become supported by Wikidata.
I ask if we can have an online meeting to discuss these nine points
Yours Sincerely,
Houcemeddine Turki (he/him)
Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia
Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36
GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group
Member, WikiResearch Tunisia
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Dear Sir,
I thank you for your answer. This is an an absolutely respected opinion. I ask about your opinions about the other points.
Yours Sincerely,
Houcemeddine Turki (he/him)
Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia
Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36
GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group
Member, WikiResearch Tunisia
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-------- Message d'origine --------
De : Egon Willighagen <egon.willighagen(a)gmail.com>
Date : 2019/08/21 12:26 (GMT+01:00)
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Objet : Re: [Wikidata] Important, Critical issues related to Wikidata
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:20 PM Houcemeddine A. Turki
<turkiabdelwaheb(a)hotmail.fr> wrote:
> I thank you for your efforts. I tried to contact Ms. Léa Lacroix and Ms. Lydia. However, I failed due to my participation to many sessions. I saw Ms. Lydia when returning to the hotel on the third day. But, I had to go for the old town. I had nine points to raise:
> 1. Instance of and Subclass of are not well defined for users although they are quite different. I ask if these two properties can be merged as is-a. This will be easier to process by users and developers.
I disagree with this suggestion. To me, the distinction between
classes and individuals is very useful. Removing it will make not make
things easier, but only harder.
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Hello all,
For the last few months, the Wikidata team has been working on improving
the termbox interface on mobile. The termbox is this area on Items where
you can read or edit labels, descriptions and aliases in various languages.
Our goal is to provide a nicer experience while reading and editing this
area from the mobile web pages.
Thanks to the combined work of various teams at WMDE and WMF, to our UX
researchers and the editors who gave feedback on the prototypes, the first
version of the feature is now deployed on wikidata.org.
*What is included in this new termbox interface?*
- You can browse labels, descriptions and aliases on a new and more
mobile-friendly interface, for all existing languages
- You can edit existing labels, descriptions and aliases directly from
the interface of the Item
- The behaviour of the mobile termbox is very similar to the current
termbox on desktop: preferred languages are sorted based on the Universal
Language Selector extension, that is taking information from your Babel
userbox (if you’re logged in)
- The edits made through the interface will have the “mobile edit” tag,
so you can track them and watch out for vandalism
*What is not included yet, but may be in the future?*
- A dedicated termbox-mobile tag in the edit summary, to track edits
more precisely
- Adding labels, descriptions or aliases in languages that don’t contain
anything for now (we’re working on it, in the meantime, you can do it with
Special:SetLabelDescriptionAliases)
- Various interface enhancements (floating buttons, colors, icons, text
labels)
*What was not included in the scope of this project*
- Ability to edit something else than the Item termbox (eg. statements,
Lexemes, other entity types)
- Any change on the desktop interface
*How can you test it and give feedback?*
The feature is now live on wikidata.org, which means you can access any
Item from a mobile device and check it out. You can also see it from
desktop by clicking on the "mobile view" link at the very bottom of a page,
or adding &mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile at the end of the URL. *Example:
Q666
<https://m.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q666&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobi…>*
Please note that some pages are cached - if you don’t see the new termbox
appearing on an Item, it will appear next time that someone edits this
item.
If you have any suggestions or would like to share feedback with us, you
can write on the talk page of the termbox project
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Development/Termbox>.
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<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/3620>.
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