The Fearow: yes, although obviously there are still limits based on available hardware. not necessarily intensive, but larger or more complicated (e.g. that can't easily be run from a normal user account). i was thinking of something more than just long scripts, but maybe. - river.

Kalan: anything that's currently allowed on hemlock would stay there. - river.

So we finally have some place to host the CS server? :P On 10/7/07, River Tarnell <river(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Seriously though, maybe OpenVZ? I know that that is used by some of the larger virtual server host companies. I have only used it as a user, but it allows you fairly everything as a root, except for modifying the kernel. Or does river want to get rid of linux? Bryan

On 10/7/07, The Fearow <fearow00(a)hotmail.com> wrote: No thank you, I like to avoid pain. We already have enough problems with users setting up widely used tools then losing interest leaving the tools unmaintained. I wouldn't want to scale that up to complete operating systems. We already have some 5 operating systems used in various parts of Wikimedia infrastructure adding more is just not desirable even if it's for an ancillary server. Really, I think if we do the special projects thing it should be done more with a focus on making things scalable, maintainable, and generally production grade. .. and getting there usually means simplicity, consistency, learnability, and documentation. "Lets give people a hosted VM to screw around with" is just the wrong direction, IMO.

The Fearow wrote: Even if we became able to run a complete new OS, remember, you MUST NOT try running Vista on it ;-)

Platonides schrieb: vista is something i wouldn't even use as toilet paper... marco ps: imagine drm-protected toilet paper ;)