-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 emijrp: A few hundred GB isn't a lot of bandwidth ;-) - river.

Mike Dupont wrote: I don't think you would be allowed to install drupal in the toolserver. However you do it, the upload to mediawiki and archive.org process should be two programs spawn for that, so that in case it fails/timeouts they can easily be restarted.

I envisage a simple facebook or flicker like plugin for people to upload, it should be friendly and simple. We want to create a photo contest for wikimedia commons and would like lots of people to submit photos, it has to be easy for them to do. maybe a tool to pull photos from facebook or other sources, instead of uploading, it would download. mike On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:07 PM, emijrp <emijrp(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

OK, I'm uploading November 2009 logs to Internet Archive. It uploads to ~350 kb/s now. http://www.archive.org/details/wikipedia_visitor_stats_200712 October 2009: http://www.archive.org/details/wikipedia_visitor_stats_200910 November 2009: Uploading... I'm using simple ftp command. ftp -i to avoid confirmation for every file. Also, I use mput pagecounts-200911* to upload the entire month. I think that it will be complete in 2 days. Dupont, your script has any advantage? 2010/11/5 Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs>

Well this idea is from gerard m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM the images being copyright violations, well that is another issue. Maybe we can host them outside of wikipedia before, let them be reviewed and them import them. mike On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs> wrote: -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote: That is why we need a drupal system that provides a facebook app. the filtering will be crowdsourced, with facebook likes. at least that is my idea. mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:58 AM, K. Peachey <p858snake(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: they have a facebook connect and a like. I would like to see also a facebook application as well, but surly it can be done. mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, DaB. <WP(a)daniel.baur4.info> wrote: okay, well I think I understand that, you dont want to have other hosts of images outside of the wiki. But the discussion is not that simple. You can host and display pictures on other sites for selection and uploading to to toolserver. What I am trying to discuss here are technical measures to make it easier for facebook and other users to safely make positive contributions to wikipedia and mediawiki projects. mike

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote: I never liked facebook until i started to work on the project in kosovo and albania, almost everyone has a facebook account there are they are online all the time. That is the reason, to reach the people. We want to have a photo competition of photos of kosovo and albania for example, for people to upload photos that they make. mike

Well the idea is to create a photo contest, people should submit them, and they will get voted up. People will review them, for license and other issue and import them. The idea would be a facebook app. Or a way to submit a whole album. You can make albums public in fb. There are many technical measure if there is a will there is a way. I would like to see a facebook connect like wikia has, that would be good. then we would need an upload this photo button. that would either push the photo or submit it for pull. I dont think these things would be that hard. we have sponsors for this, we are in discussion to get prize money. Of course the idea is to get as many photo submitted as possible that are of any value, even if they are just of every daye objects the photos can be used for the wikipedia articles. We need to make sure these people are not confronted by the current uploader form, that will scare everyone away, it needs to be easy. Easy for people who are not native speakers and dont have the best education, people who struggle with using a computer and people who think that mobile phones are high-tech. mike On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:37 PM, emijrp <emijrp(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: well they are pretty good and if someones photos gets selected they can upload a higher res. flickr is also available in highres. If it could support multiselect .... What do you think about the pull idea, to be able to pull images from another webpage? this looks like a major improvement on the old system, congrats! mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org

Mike Dupont wrote (among other things): So the idea here is that either Wikimedia (or a domain owned by a third-party that isn't Wikimedia Deutschland) would have a tool that allows people to pull images from other websites that can then be reviewed and possibly uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? Is that about right? I see a few different issues here. One is that people already try to take random images from the Web and upload them to Commons or a specific wiki project without understanding that copyright doesn't work that way. The system you seem to be proposing would encourage this. The second issue that I see is that someone has to take the liability of housing thousands of copyrighted images, even if they are only available on a temporary basis. Not many people (including hosting companies) are going to want this liability. You can mitigate the risks by making the site non-indexed, require a login, etc. It's still not a small hurdle, I don't think. And it would obviously involve a lot of bureaucracy if an already established organization was involved, like Wikimedia. The third issue is that, as far as I'm aware, once a user uploads an image to Facebook, Facebook now owns at least some of the rights to that image. That isn't to say that the images can't be released in different contexts, but I think it's sure to add complication to the idea. I think the overall idea (getting people on social networks more involved with Wikimedia) is a great one. I'm just not sure you've considered all of the obstacles that lie in the way. MZMcBride

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>wrote;wrote: I have registered a group on flicker for this, *http://tinyurl.com/BestOfKosovo4Wikipedia* you can see to join you need to accept the policy and we can review the photos. mike