It would be practical, if those, who have root access or any kind of higher level access to Toolserver, would be automatically voiced on the IRC channel, like it's habit on some other channels. There could be classical "admins are voiced" note in welcome message or in topic as well. It doesn't cost anything and it is user friendly to visitors. There are two experiences, which led me to this proposal: 1) Time to time there are people coming to the channel and looking for admins - this could help them. 2) River is changing his nick pretty often. I don't mind that at all - let everybody use the nick they like and it's actually quite pleasant refreshment. But it always take me (and so far I know I'm not alone) some time to find out, which nick he uses ATM... ;-) Kind regards Danny B. _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette

It would be practical, if those, who have root access or any kind of higher level access to Toolserver, would be automatically voiced on the IRC channel, like it's habit on some other channels. There could be classical "admins are voiced" note in welcome message or in topic as well. It doesn't cost anything and it is user friendly to visitors.

Permanent op is discouraged by Freenode guidelines. Permanent voice is ususal habit on the other hand. Danny B. _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:48 PM, User:Matthewrbowker <matthewrbowker.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: What about if we see the flags via ChanServ so that the admins can op themselves if need be? That way, while they don't have permanent op status, they can still intervene if a troll comes along. You're missing the point, this whole discussion is for visibility, not about the non-existent irc trolls. Bryan _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette

Along with voicing TS admins, I also propose a clean up in that channel's flag listing. Current flag list of #wikimedia-toolserver is: 1. Austin +votsriRfA 2. James_F +votsriRfA 3. Duesentrieb +votsriRA 4. zwitter +votsriRfAF 5. DaBPunkt +votsriRA 6. APPER +votsriRfA 7. mindspillage +votiA 8. Simetrical +votsrifA 9. Werdna +votsrifA I propose you should create few templates, like 1. founder +vVotsriRfAF 2. admin +vVotsriRA 3. op +votia Here admin means TS admins. I also proposed +V for founders, because the only +F holder is a TS admin. You see, now there is only one with +F, I think there should be at least 2 (as a good practice). Rest of them are trusted users with op rights who can act in need. I think, in that case the list will look great, also the whole the thing will be easily manageable and understandable. Regards, Tanvir Rahman Wikitanvir on Wikimedia