Hey Gautam thanks for sharing.
So as I understand it really the issue here is not actually an Opera
issue but a resolution issue
There's a couple of issues here
1) The main page is a static page provided by the community -
Feel free to start a talk page comment about improving this for tiny
screens. This sadly is out of my control.
2) On all pages the content is mostly hidden because of the search,
watch star and menu icon. This is not helped by the fact Opera has
browser chrome on the top and bottom of the page - out of interest
Gautam, in the case of the device which is 320 by 240, what the
browser reports the width and the height of the window is (if we were
to use media queries and responsive design to adapt that).
I actually think what would be the best solution here is to hide all
the Wikipedia chrome for screens, and replace it with links to Home
(and in future Search) at the top. I've knocked up a patch that does
this -
and would be interested
in your views.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Gautam Chandna <gautamc(a)opera.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Adam Baso
<abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
I believe Gautam over at Opera may have some viewport stats he can share
with the list. He'll be emailing that pretty soon I think.
I've just joined this mailing list, and have gone through this thread. I've
got some data and screenshots that are relevant for this discussion:
h3. Screen size for Opera Mini clients (sample data, 1 day):
upto 400x320 50%
401x321 upto 470x320 3%
471x321 to 640x480 24%
641x481 to 960x720 17%
961x721 and above 7%
I'm running this stat with lower screen sizes, for users using Wikipedia and
will report here once I have new data.
h3. Screenshots:
Size 180 x 240, Size 240 x 320
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-yck2WBt5TwekdHa0kxN0psRk0&usp…
This is what I presented yesterday at Wikimedia, to emphasize that there is
a problem. Of course, you decide how to tackle it.
Best regards,
Gautam
I feel a compromise with a labeled "Add to Watchlist" button at the bottom
of the article on low-JS devices (freeing up the menubar at the top), but
keeping the star at the top on higher-JS devices (and hiding the "Add to
Watchlist" button at the bottom), is one way to strike a balance between
discoverability and usability in light of what seems to be pretty low
practical usage of the feature on the low-JS devices.
-Adam
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Juliusz Gonera <jgonera(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Juliusz Gonera, 10/06/2014 20:31:
>
> I would remove page actions for non-JS users if watchstar proves to be
> hardly ever used.
Personally I'm quite disturbed by the idea of further reducing
discoverability of editing/non-passive usage. I don't know about the
specific case, but remember not to trade the (visibility of the) *essence*
of the wiki for a few pixels saved.
I understand this argument, however, on small feature phones with Opera
Mini, the initial page view consists only of page header and a watchstar
button. None of the article content fits without scrolling.
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Juliusz
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