Wikimaps: About the template for maps - Maps-l

30 May 2013

Hi!

I am forwarding a discussion that I started with the people from Europeana
on the metadata templates for maps. I would like to get your opinions about
what should we cater for in the maps metadata template.

I am repeating Dan's points:

1. which metadata attributes would need to be stored?

2. is there a mediawiki template on commons that currently handles those
metadata attributes?
   a. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Geocoding

   b. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Location

   c. if not, how do we introduce a new template?

3. do we bring this additional functionality into current scope or later?
   a. what type of ui would be needed to add in the functionality?

Tim might have good arguments based on how he has handled metadata in a
partnership with a maps GLAM in the MapWarper? Why should some information
be omitted? Should the community decide or should we take standards into
account? Which ones?

Cheers,
Susanna

2013/5/30 Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W. &lt;JAROSLAW.W.TUSZYNSKI(a)saic.com&gt;

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  Hi all,****

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 A standard, way of geolocating maps involves use of subpages with KML
 code. See for example
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dayton,_Indiana_1878.png and
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dayton,_Indiana_1878.png/overlay.kml. There was
not a whole lot of people creating those KML’s and the software
 often does not like the subpages of files, but the infrastructure is there
 ready to use. If there was more interest in using them we could discuss
 some improvements to the system. We could also streamline kml production
 based on available data. Most current files are created using
 North/South/East/West edges and possible rotation. It might be more
 convenient to use coordinates of 4 corners, which is a format also
 supported by KML. ****

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 Another possibility would be to use Template:GeoPolygon, or both. ****

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 Are there any other fields specific to maps that are not template:Artwork?
 We could always upload a few sample images by hand (or pick existing ones)
 and ask community for help on formatting metadata, which would be than used
 as a template (using non Wikipedia meaning of the word) for the other
 uploads. That way we can easily see what are the possible improvements to
 Commons templates (using Wikipedia meaning of the word).****

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 We could also create a specialized template for maps, which could be just
 extension of Artwork template. But it would be the best to avoid that if
 not necessary. Rarely used templates tend to get little attention and
 maintenance.  ****

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 Jarek T.****

 User:jarekt****

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 *From:* Maarten Dammers [mailto:maarten@mdammers.nl]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:20 PM
 *To:* Susanna Ånäs
 *Cc:* David Haskiya; dan entous; Valentine Charles; Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W.

 *Subject:* Re: About the template for maps****

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 Hi David and Susanna,

 Like what I said on the hackathon: I generally like to get improve
 existing template instead of forking them.
 The whole location metadata is something you need to keep separate anyway,
 it would be a mess to try to fit that in the same template. I think in the
 long run this data needs to end up at Wikidata.

 Maarten

 Ps. Put Jarek on the cc.

 Op 29-5-2013 20:08, Susanna Ånäs schreef:****

 Hi all, ****

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 I am willing to gather more information from especially our map curator,
 plus perhaps our contact in the Land Survey regarding the simplest form of
 adequate metadata for maps. With Tim Alder we discussed that we do need at
 least the bounding box for the map, if it's available, though only after
 the map has a location. Realizing also that none of the existing templates
 for location only are perfect for our purpose.****

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 Please include relevant people in the discussion!****

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 Cheers,****

 Susanna****

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 2013/5/29 David Haskiya &lt;David.Haskiya(a)kb.nl&gt;****

 Hi Susanna,
 We gave up on trying to change/extend the default Artwork template (or any
 other template) as the community indicated that would not be a welcome or
 easy thing to do. So we use the default Book, Photo, Artwork and Species
 templates. Our contact was http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jarektwho is
knowledgeable, friendly and constructive. I think we the more
 insider position you and Maarten have it should be possible to get support
 for a new template - I don't understand Wikimedia Common dynamics very well
 though. De-facto it looks like Artwork is the template used for historical
 maps.

 If you and Maarten as part of your project create a specific Map template
 or a specific Artwork-Map template then adding it to our tool as a target
 template should be simple (unless it deviates strongly from the existing
 templates).

 Cheers,
 David

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  -----Original Message-----
 From: dan entous [mailto:d_entous@yahoo.com]
 Sent: woensdag 29 mei 2013 13:29
 To: Susanna Ånäs
 Cc: David Haskiya; Valentine Charles
 Subject: Re: About the template for maps

 hi susanna,

 i'm including david haskiya and valentine charles in this response so  they
  can also see your request and answer your
questions as well.

 artwork template
 ----------------
 valentine had direct contact with someone involved with the artwork
 template. i don't know if she kept notes or email threads regarding the
 discussion. hopefully she or david can give you feedback in that regard.

 adding map metadata
 -------------------
 i'm sure we could sort something out in the tool that would allow you to
 add map metadata. at first glance, the following points would have to be
 decided :

 1. which metadata attributes would need to be stored?

 2. is there a mediawiki template on commons that currently handles those
 metadata attributes?
    a. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Geocoding
    b. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Location
    c. if not, how do we introduce a new template? - maarten dammers might
 know this process best

 3. do we bring this additional functionality into current scope or later?
    a. what type of ui would be needed to add in the functionality?

 with kind regards,
 dan

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 On May 28, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Susanna Ånäs wrote:

  Hi Dan,

 In regard to the templete topic we discussed, I could ask some  additional
questions.

 It was Maarten Dammers' opinion that the Artwork template 
(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Artwork) is extensive enough
 to be able to handle maps. The template does not include a possibility of
 including information about a geographical bounding box. The idea Maarten
 proposed was to use another template for geodata in addition to the
 Artwork template. Now the tool does not support this.

 I also learned that you had discussed about extending the Artwork  template in
order to accommodate better to existing standards. Do you
 think you could find a way for me to follow that discussion?

 My specific goal is nevertheless to have a possibility in the GLAM-Wiki  tool to
have a template (structure) that meets the needs of map GLAMs,
 that it is enough standards compliant for that, and that it includes all
 necessary fields. When I discussed the metadata with the Antti Rainio  from
  the Land Survey in Finland, he stated that the
need of the INSPIRE are  too
  complicated and a more flexible structure would
be better, based on  Dublin
  Core for example.

 Hope to continue discussion.

 Cheers,
 Susanna

 I have now been able to register in the tool :)

 2013/4/25 dan entous &lt;d_entous(a)yahoo.com&gt;
 hi susanna,

 i just added you to the wiki. you should get an e-mail with a temporary  password.
thereafter you should be able to test out the tool. just as a
 reminder, the tool may change very now and then as we're still in
 development, but you should be able to test it out in any case.

 with kind regards,
 dan

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