Hello,
This is very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Please let us know if and when it can be
shared more freely. I know a few people who'd want to read about this. I know I was
surprised to read that we would be better off trying to recruit new editors than to focus
on retention (very simplified).
A couple of points, none of which I've seen mentioned in this thread:
* no matter the numbers, it will take a lot of male editors to help engaging more female
editors. Not only because if female editors were to concentrate on engaging other females,
they would have less time editing, and not only because we have more male editors, but
because this is not only a woman's issue. It's an issue of neutrality and
dissemination of knowledge. If we can get more male editors to get behind this question,
it will be much easier getting to the desired numbers.
* I wrote a blog post a few years ago, stating that if all the women who were named Elsa
started editing Swedish Wikipedia actively (4 times a day = more than 100 edits a month),
the gendergap would cease to exist.
(
https://wikimediasverige.wordpress.com/2013/12/16/varfor-skriver-inte-kvinn…)
These kinds of numbers are telling, in that they convey a fairly common misconception:
although we have a huge gendergap, the number of people actually editing Wikipedia is not
that great. So in actual numbers, if we divide the effort between chapters and
non-chapters and individual Wikipedians, I think it's possible to reach those
numbers.
Anyway, great post and again, thanks.
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:51:31 -0400
From: pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com
To: gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] What would it take to Close the Gender Gap?
I like the idea of experimenting with new knowledgespaces, with new workflows to support
them. With enough investment in design, I think this could be done on a large scale right
in the project namespace of English Wikipedia.
Thanks,Pharos
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sarah (SV) <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Jason. I enjoyed reading this, though the conclusions remind me of _Seeing Like a
State_. Not all edits, editors, and subcommunities are equal. Trying to shift about
contributors en masse in a way that is convenient for large organizations (or for those of
us who like crunching large datasets :) can be a total failure in practice.
Let's set up a new space where we can experiment with fast influxes of newbies. The
current large projects are not suited for this.
I believe good design is a key issue for editor attraction and retention, so that we can
produce professional-looking articles we can be proud of and want to write. I would also
love to see the Foundation redesign the front page. It's hard for the community to
take the lead when it comes to design, and it seems to fall off the radar when people
discuss editor retention and gender gap.
Sarah
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