If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause
will be in Adm
noticeboard "on sight"
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/Béria Lima/
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(351) 963 953 042
/Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer./
2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org
<mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org>>
Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They
create a sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who
isn't a heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you,
please read through
These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see
them, please delete them or email me. Thanks.
Ryan Kaldari
On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
Comments like that don't make me run out
of commons, but they do
get an eye roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that
kind of comment is necessary.
The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in
commons, it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments
like that are the norm on commons or considered acceptable, as
well as not knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of my
time on a smaller wiki, where I have a better sense of what the
rules are and who to contact within that community for advice on
how to handle that kind of thing. Since I don't have as good a
sense of the issues on Commons, I usually don't comment.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima
<beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt <mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>> wrote:
Sarah
Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that
"you're not welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why
that particular comment would in some way made girls run out
commons.
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/Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a
possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o
conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./
2011/5/23 Sarah <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com
<mailto:slimvirgin@gmail.com>>
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
<metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition(a)googlemail.com
<mailto:metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com>> wrote:
dear sarah
i want to give you a small feedback about your entries
here about a
comment i did. (i found this list with a notice
on my
userpage in the
german wikipedia)
"Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion)
22:59, 2
January
2011 (UTC)"
there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not
educational and
questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big
tits?" the
other replies
the "not educational" accusation. both
arguments are
bullshit in my
opinion. because all is educational or nothing,
but i
am to obliging
to told a another users his/her meaning is
bullshit.
for example if i
want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a
picture
of a piece of
shit ist educational, and if i want to know
something
about the
frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult
very
helpfully/educational. if people naming something not
educational,
they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this
is my
personal pov!)
but they vote this way, but really really often
simply
mean: "i hate
this pic" or "i hate this user" or
"i hate every kind
of nudity in the
commons"
in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in
english i spare
the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i
choose a
short pro
vote, applying to the first contra. and by the
way, i
am not addicted
to big or small boobs - i couldn't care
less!
if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it
would like:
"wikipedia needs well draught anime
pictures, with
common licences,
this one is a great animation of a girl or
transsexual
in a beautyfull
landscape". so, thats the reason i vote
with pro.
but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the
contra-side argues
with "not educational"
i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in
the comment.
best regards
le frog du rabbit
Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.
The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more
women editors
to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and
perhaps also to
change the culture of Wikipedia a little.
It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around
on a talk page
where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the
project's
interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see
how it could
be in the interests of the individual women.
It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the
words,
because all we see are the words themselves. For some
women (not all,
but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see
the world is
not represented here," or "Go away."
That's one of the reasons it's a problem.
Sarah
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