2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org>

Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment

These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them, please delete them or email me. Thanks.

Ryan Kaldari
On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
Comments like that don't make me run out of commons, but they do get an eye roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that kind of comment is necessary.

The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in commons, it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments like that are the norm on commons or considered acceptable, as well as not knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of my time on a smaller wiki, where I have a better sense of what the rules are and who to contact within that community for advice on how to handle that kind of thing. Since I don't have as good a sense of the issues on Commons, I usually don't comment.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:

Sarah

Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that "you're not welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why that particular comment would in some way made girls run out commons.

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2011/5/23 Sarah <slimvirgin@gmail.com>

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
<metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com> wrote:
> dear sarah
>
> i want to give you a small feedback about your entries here about a
> comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my userpage in the
> german wikipedia)
>
> "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2 January
> 2011 (UTC)"
>
> there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not educational and
> questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the other replies
> the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are bullshit in my
> opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i am to obliging
> to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit. for example if i
> want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture of a piece of
> shit ist educational, and if i want to know something about the
> frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
> helpfully/educational. if people naming something not educational,
> they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my personal pov!)
> but they vote this way, but really really often simply mean: "i hate
> this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind of nudity in the
> commons"
>
> in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in english i spare
> the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a short pro
> vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i am not addicted
> to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
> if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it would like:
> "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with common licences,
> this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull
> landscape". so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>
> but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the contra-side argues
> with "not educational"
>
> i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in the comment.
>
> best regards
> le frog du rabbit
>

Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.

The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more women editors
to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and perhaps also to
change the culture of Wikipedia a little.

It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around on a talk page
where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the project's
interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see how it could
be in the interests of the individual women.

It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the words,
because all we see are the words themselves. For some women (not all,
but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see the world is
not represented here," or "Go away."

That's one of the reasons it's a problem.

Sarah

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