I'm European (from Ireland) and clearly identify this as a major issue.
-- Allie (User:Alison)
On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:53 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> wrote:
do you know women outside the north american culture,
i.e. US and CA, affected by this?
rupert
Am 03.07.2014 21:13 schrieb "Leigh Honeywell" <leigh(a)hypatia.ca>ca>:
Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on
editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the
project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as
"micromanagement" but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big
picture /does/ require organizational leadership to address specific
things.
-Leigh
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well, here's the issue. It's never been
clear to me whether this is a
WMF-wide issue or it's an English Wikipedia specific issue. The
overwhelming majority of people participating on this list work almost
exclusively on enwiki, and almost every single experience discussed here
involves enwiki.
As important as we all know English Wikipedia to be (if nothing else, it's
the fundraising driver from which the bulk of donations derives), it's also
only one of hundreds of projects. There are issues with the Board
micromanaging a single project directly, and pretty serious issues when the
Board tries to fix a problem on one project by creating a global policy or
rule that may actually be counterproductive in other areas. (And as we can
see from the obtuseness that Commons shows about such issues as personality
rights - a major gendergap issue in my mind - even when the Board does try
to intervene, it's often ineffective.)
Risker/Anne
On 3 July 2014 14:58, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote:
The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that
WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve
these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the
chain"?
-Leigh
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker
<risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several
> occasions
> when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of
> certain
> individuals to initiate a case....but nobody wanted to do that...
Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on
en.wiki
to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to
never
do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and enduring
constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I
painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely ignored
by
ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal threat.
He
is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to make
any
more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker, so I
don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to
ArbCom
is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is actually
counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed.
1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/C…
Ryan Kaldari
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