do you know women outside the north american culture,
i.e. US and CA,
affected by this?
rupert
Am 03.07.2014 21:13 schrieb "Leigh Honeywell" <leigh(a)hypatia.ca>ca>:
Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on
editor retention and therefore the long-term
sustainability of the
project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as
"micromanagement" but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big
picture /does/ require organizational leadership to address specific
things.
-Leigh
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well, here's the issue. It's never been
clear to me whether this is a
WMF-wide issue or it's an English Wikipedia specific issue. The
overwhelming majority of people participating on this list work almost
exclusively on enwiki, and almost every single experience discussed here
involves enwiki.
As important as we all know English Wikipedia to be (if nothing else,
it's
the fundraising driver from which the bulk of
donations derives), it's
also
only one of hundreds of projects. There are
issues with the Board
micromanaging a single project directly, and pretty serious issues when
the
Board tries to fix a problem on one project by
creating a global policy
or
rule that may actually be counterproductive in
other areas. (And as we
can
see from the obtuseness that Commons shows about
such issues as
personality
rights - a major gendergap issue in my mind -
even when the Board does
try
to intervene, it's often ineffective.)
Risker/Anne
On 3 July 2014 14:58, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote:
>
> The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that
> WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve
> these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the
> chain"?
>
> -Leigh
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several
> >> occasions
> >> when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of
> >> certain
> >> individuals to initiate a case....but nobody wanted to do that...
> >
> >
> > Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on
> > en.wiki
> > to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to
> > never
> > do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and
enduring
> > constant harassment during the process,
all of the evidence that I
> > painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely
ignored
> > by
> > ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal
threat.
> > He
> > is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to
make
> > any
> > more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker,
so I
> > don't really understand your
argument that taking incivil editors to
> > ArbCom
> > is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is
actually
> > counterproductive and an invitation to
be relentlessly harassed.
> >
> > 1.
> >
> >
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/C…
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
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