There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia English
with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's time at WMF.
Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen other people talked
about it in a closed group. It failed because a top down approach is not
effective on Wikipedia because policies can not be enforced from the top.
Policies need to be made that a large part of the community agrees at
proper and enforceable.
I would be willing to assist a group that wants to take another run at it.
But there are significant challenges with enforcing a civility policy on a
global community where cultural norms differ at great deal. So, we need to
be careful that an attempt to assist one group of users does not make it
harder for other groups of people who are also under represented on
Wikipedia English.
Sydney
Sydney
Sydney
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote:
The more I hear about this, the more I think this is
something that
WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve
these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the
chain"?
-Leigh
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker
<risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several
occasions
> when I practically begged those complaining
about the behaviour of
certain
individuals to initiate a case....but nobody wanted to do that...
Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on
en.wiki
to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible
experience that I decided to
never
do it again. After giving up a month of my life
to the case and enduring
constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I
painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely ignored
by
ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for
making a legal threat.
He
is now free to return on the condition that he
simply agrees not to make
any
more legal threats. You were actually on that
ArbCom panel, Risker, so I
don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to
ArbCom
is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of
effort, it is actually
counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed.
1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/C…
Ryan Kaldari
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