On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net>wrote;wrote:
I am not "minimizing" anything, Fluffy.
You were minimizing people's feelings. Hey women! When working towards
empowering your own community to increase participation rates for women?
Well, screw you if you can't work with men. <-- If that wasn't what you
were intended to say, then rethink your comments. You're a man. You are in
a place of privilege. You just told some one in a place of non-privilege
that their concerns aren't important.
Whether or not you intended to do that, even assuming in good faith that
your intent wasn't to tell women that, it is how the message was recieved.
(And if we posted your comments along side Erik's comment about equality of
the sexes on a list dedicated to helping increase a marginalized group,
you'd be slammed just as much, if not more.)
If the females involved here need and want a place
where they can
commiserate with one another about their feelings on this issue that's fine.
What is this assumption based on? Seriously?
I want a place where women can work together to increase WOMEN'S
PARTICIPATION RATES. I don't want to a place to commiserate about my
feelings. Seriously, what a sexist thing to say. And way to have reading
comprehension fail.
The reason that male participation to be minimal is that we want to empower
women to work together to increase female participation rates. We do not
want a place to commiserate. We want to develop strategies to increase
female participation rates on Wikipedia.
And you're not helping to make Wikipedia a more female friendly place.
You're not helping to increase female participation rates. Your comments
run counter to the goal of increasing female participation rates, because if
shown to women, they would make them less likely to contribute.
A separate List could be created for that.
A separate list could be created to develop strategies for increasing
women's participation rates on Wikipedia? Then what is this list about? Is
this the "Make men feel good" list? The list to increase the gender gap
between male and female participation by providing a lot of fodder that
demonstrates how Wikipedia is fundamentally sexist? The list dedicated to
proving that men can't get over their own male privilege?
But, if the true purpose of of the "Gendergap" List is to try to identify
and resolve the problem in the Project, then
separating the Lists would be
counterproductive.
Women empowering women is counter productive to decreasing the gender gap on
Wikiedia, but your comments are helpful to decreasing the gender gap because
they demonstrate a clear idea of women's concerns and present a happy
atmosphere that of Wikipedia not being filled with sexists?
I've identified a problem. The problem is you. The problem is Fred. The
problem is Erik. The problem is male privilege. How do we resolve the
problem to get on to the next step? We create a fork for men to work on.
We ask men to read the list and remain silent unless they can specifically
offer help to address specific needs. We encourage men to recruit women to
join the list.
There. I've done what you said. Still, same conclusion: You and other men
need to go. You haven't demonstrated your relevance, but rather have
behaved counter productively to the stated goal: Increasing female
participation rates.
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