Oliver, I think you may be talking about the power user here:
New users are unlikely to create a volume of edits or articles in a single
go.
Certain categories *cannot *be switched off:
-Systme Messages
-Talk Page messages
You bring up a very valid case, but I doubt that the solution is turning
entire categories off from the flyout.
If it is spam for power users, they can turn things off in Preferences.
Facebook provides a very sophisticated level of control in the flyouts by
letting you mute :
-Notification from User X (*Not* all talk messages)
-Notifications about Event X (*Not* all events)
-Notifications from X wall Post (Not all your wall posts, just this
specific one)
-Notifications from the status you posted (Not your entire wall)
-Notifications for a language from a service (Not even the entire app in
all cases)
This is the level of control we may need for some categories, but it needs
more thinking,
I dont think we are there yet.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
As someone who has spent time directly observing user
behaviour for many
years - we have lots and lots of evidence. For example; are you aware that
users semi-automatically and/or rapidly create articles? Usually translated
from other projects. I sincerely doubt that they will want a notification
every time.
On 27 March 2013 19:32, Vibha Bamba <vbamba(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
To clarify:
1) The safest thing that allows to build incrementally for now is 'Ive
read this > Remove it' which is a really a simple *'Go Away'*
2 ) In addition to this we could support a* 'Clear All Read'* from the
flyout so a user doesn't have to dismiss one at a time.
This still leaves us with the problem of cross linking notification which
may be large in volume > we could make that an *'Opt In'*
The reason I think turning off categories in the flyout is problematic is:
1. Dismissing entire categories needs more fine tuning. Users will
want to unfollow specific things > Articles > Discussions etc.
2. Switching off categories also prevents us from incremental fine
tune controls in the short term.
3. Other than cross links, so far we dont have enough evidence that
users will want to switch entire categories off. We need more time and back
end support to figure that out.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Vibha Bamba <vbamba(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
I propose:
1) The safest thing that allows to build incrementally for now is 'Ive
read this > Remove it'
2 ) In addition to this we could support a clear all new from the flyout
so a user doesn't have to dismiss one at a time.
This still leaves us with the problem of cross linking notification
which may be large in volume > we could make that an 'opt in'
Dismissing entire categories needs more fine tuning.
Other than cross links, so far we dont have enough evidence that users
will want to switch entire categories off.
Users will want to unfollow specific things > Articles > Discussions etc.
We need more time and back end support to figure that out.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
But having the option there at all, if its to be
removed later for
simplicity, could even cause problems - how quickly would users figure out
that they dont want a kind of message? On the first one, it probably wont
seem worth dismissing all of the type - might be interesting to get more.
But once they get twenty in the next day, then it would probably sink in
that okay, this is really annoying. But where did the option go? Wasnt
there an option?
If anything it might lead them away from their preferences because
their preferences are not where they saw the option initially.
On 27/03/2013 13:11, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> On 03/27/2013 03:09 PM, Isarra Yos wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Im misunderstanding something, but if someone is trying to
>> dismiss several, they wont want a dialog showing up every time, but at
>> the same time even if they dont want to disable all of the type the
>> first time that doesnt mean they wont want to do that later. The
>> option,
>> if its going to be there, needs to be there somewhat consistently.
>>
> You can still disable the notification category in Special:Preferences
> .
> It may be worthwhile to keep the main Echo interface (not
> preferences)
> simpler if they choose not to disable the category the first time.
>
> Matt Flaschen
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