I am certainly talking about the power user; my
point is that we *do*have use cases here :). I strongly agree that new users are unlikely
to
create a volume of edits or articles in a single go, but given that our job
with EE is to turn them *into* power users, and being able to create
mechanisms to do this requires some kind of community acceptance, it seems
illogical to make product decisions based on the short-term. I'm happy to
wait until we have *more* evidence, and other people are convinced this
might be worth looking into, but "I think you may be talking about the
power user here" is never a valid argument for a feature that hits
non-newcomers.
On 27 March 2013 20:02, Vibha Bamba <vbamba(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Oliver, I think you may be talking about the
power user here:
New users are unlikely to create a volume of edits or articles in a
single go.
Certain categories *cannot *be switched off:
-Systme Messages
-Talk Page messages
You bring up a very valid case, but I doubt that the solution is
turning entire categories off from the flyout.
If it is spam for power users, they can turn things off in Preferences.
Facebook provides a very sophisticated level of control in the flyouts
by letting you mute :
-Notification from User X (*Not* all talk messages)
-Notifications about Event X (*Not* all events)
-Notifications from X wall Post (Not all your wall posts, just this
specific one)
-Notifications from the status you posted (Not your entire wall)
-Notifications for a language from a service (Not even the entire app
in all cases)
This is the level of control we may need for some categories, but it
needs more thinking,
I dont think we are there yet.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
> As someone who has spent time directly observing user behaviour for
> many years - we have lots and lots of evidence. For example; are you aware
> that users semi-automatically and/or rapidly create articles? Usually
> translated from other projects. I sincerely doubt that they will want a
> notification every time.
>
>
> On 27 March 2013 19:32, Vibha Bamba <vbamba(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> To clarify:
>>
>> 1) The safest thing that allows to build incrementally for now is
>> 'Ive read this > Remove it' which is a really a simple *'Go
Away'*
>> 2 ) In addition to this we could support a* 'Clear All Read'* from
>> the flyout so a user doesn't have to dismiss one at a time.
>>
>> This still leaves us with the problem of cross linking notification
>> which may be large in volume > we could make that an *'Opt In'*
>>
>> The reason I think turning off categories in the flyout is
>> problematic is:
>>
>> 1. Dismissing entire categories needs more fine tuning. Users
>> will want to unfollow specific things > Articles > Discussions etc.
>> 2. Switching off categories also prevents us from incremental
>> fine tune controls in the short term.
>> 3. Other than cross links, so far we dont have enough evidence
>> that users will want to switch entire categories off. We need more time and
>> back end support to figure that out.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Vibha Bamba <vbamba(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
>>
>>> I propose:
>>>
>>> 1) The safest thing that allows to build incrementally for now is
>>> 'Ive read this > Remove it'
>>> 2 ) In addition to this we could support a clear all new from the
>>> flyout so a user doesn't have to dismiss one at a time.
>>>
>>> This still leaves us with the problem of cross linking notification
>>> which may be large in volume > we could make that an 'opt in'
>>>
>>> Dismissing entire categories needs more fine tuning.
>>> Other than cross links, so far we dont have enough evidence that
>>> users will want to switch entire categories off.
>>> Users will want to unfollow specific things > Articles > Discussions
>>> etc.
>>> We need more time and back end support to figure that out.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Isarra Yos
<zhorishna(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>>>
>>>> But having the option there at all, if its to be removed later for
>>>> simplicity, could even cause problems - how quickly would users figure
out
>>>> that they dont want a kind of message? On the first one, it probably
wont
>>>> seem worth dismissing all of the type - might be interesting to get
more.
>>>> But once they get twenty in the next day, then it would probably sink in
>>>> that okay, this is really annoying. But where did the option go? Wasnt
>>>> there an option?
>>>>
>>>> If anything it might lead them away from their preferences because
>>>> their preferences are not where they saw the option initially.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27/03/2013 13:11, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/27/2013 03:09 PM, Isarra Yos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps Im misunderstanding something, but if someone is trying
to
>>>>>> dismiss several, they wont want a dialog showing up every time,
>>>>>> but at
>>>>>> the same time even if they dont want to disable all of the type
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first time that doesnt mean they wont want to do that later. The
>>>>>> option,
>>>>>> if its going to be there, needs to be there somewhat
consistently.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You can still disable the notification category in
>>>>> Special:Preferences .
>>>>> It may be worthwhile to keep the main Echo interface (not
>>>>> preferences)
>>>>> simpler if they choose not to disable the category the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt Flaschen
>>>>>
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