No, enwp is a project where *getting* userrights
isn't meant to be
important - in the sense that userrights are not meant to be something
that puts you further up the hierarchy than other users. That's very
different from 'having additional buttons is not a big deal'.
If someone is given rollback because, hey, an admin has identified
that they're useful and such and might benefit from it, it's highly
beneficial for them to be poked and given a brief "so you've got this
[link to rules about using it|new button now]". Otherwise we end up
with situations where good-faith contributors get snarked for not
following rules nobody informed them they had to, or for misusing
tools they didn't necessarily understand were a privilege. At the same
time, it's nice to have an actual ping of "your expertise has been
recognised, good job".
On 27 March 2013 02:40, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com
<mailto:zhorishna@gmail.com>> wrote:
User rights changes are important? I would think that would depend
entirely on the project, and mww and enwp are two where such
either at least isnt supposed to be a big deal, or where it really
isnt in practice either.
Speaking of no big deal, I wonder if I can talk someone into
making me a crat.
On 26/03/2013 18:55, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hi TheHelpfulOne,
Thanks so much for testing Echo today, and for reporting on your
experience with user rights!
I am also experiencing problems with the user right notification
with this release, even though it worked well for me earlier. You
should be getting notifications both when a user right is added
and removed, as outlined in this feature requirement:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#User_rights
We will investigate this issue tomorrow. Thanks for bringing it up!
Regarding your other question about user preferences, each
notification category can be set independently, as described here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#Receive_Notificatio…
However, system notifications like user right changes cannot be
dismissed, because we believe they are too important. Besides
user rights, this also includes the welcome and get started
messages in this first release.
The other notification where preferences are limited is 'talk
page messages', which now can only be turned off for email
notifications, not for web notifications (because we believe they
are too important to dismiss on the web).
Please let us know if this general plan works for you, or if you
recommend any changes. I am sure this issue will be discussed
again once we deploy on en-wiki, but we are starting to freeze
features so we can have our first release in early April. ;o)
Cheers,
Fabrice
On Mar 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Thehelpfulone wrote:
Hi all,
I've been playing around with Echo on
MediaWiki.org
<http://MediaWiki.org> and noticed that in my preferences I can
configure a number of different notifications. (See
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo)
I've also tested the User Right notifications that were just
deployed and whilst you receive an email when you have a user
right /added /to your account, you don't currently get one when
a user right is /removed /from your account.
That's probably an oversight, but from what I've been told the
option to opt out from any email notifications intentionally
isn't available so as to reduce the number of preferences for
users to configure. Another justification is that a user is
unlikely to have their user rights changed too often, so email
traffic should be minimal.
This seems reasonable, but for future notifications, how are we
going to decide whether something is worth a preference or not?
I'm thinking that anything that technically affects your
editing, e.g. a notification that you've been blocked or renamed
(if Echo supports that in the future) would be something that
probably shouldn't be opt-out-able.
Can anyone think of any other notifications that should not be
opt-out-able (or does anyone think that all notifications should
be individually opt-out-able?)
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