I was trying to offer the help. I apologise if that's not how it came
across.
On 31/03/13 05:54, Steven Walling wrote:
On Saturday, March 30, 2013, Isarra Yos wrote:
That said, it should not take an hour to do a simple icon. If it
is part of an existing set with the general style already laid
out, a single graphic like that should really be taking all of
five minutes - if it isn't, there are probably deeper problems
(perhaps with said general style?) at play. Perhaps if we talk
later I might be able to help with that, but I suspect neither of
us are in any shape presently to even deal with sorting that out.
Please don't lecture Vibha or anyone else about the time it should
take them to do their job. It's extremely rude.
/The previous email was simply an email sent
in a hurry. //And it
is being treated out of proportion. /
/I assure you we have no intent of working without consensus./
/
/
I sent an 'immediate follow up email' where I specifically stated
that folks should join the 'Monday meeting' which has been set up
for this purpose along with general feature roundup. Discussions
and mocks will be posted on mediawiki to follow up for those who
cannot participate so they can join in with comments.
The reason this occurred is because the email was sent in a hurry.
I would also request everyone to understand that we are
shortstaffed on the design team.
We have been unable to hire a visual designer since Lindsey left
around September last year.
Munaf and I are covering production work on E2, E3 and Mobile &
design Outreach. This includes both interaction and visual design.
Just to put things into perspective: It takes one hour to make a
simple icon if it has to be done right.
The email sent in a hurry because at any given time 2 designers
are balancing a lot of work and sometimes we need to close things
out or narrow solutions before we can manage a discussion between
15 people.
Please recognize that we are doing our best to make sure teams
are supported. We absolutely acknowledge that remote staff needs
to and must be involved.
If anyone has any concerns please feel free to chat with Howie
and me. I would really appreciate that we close this thread.
It is simply a misunderstanding and nothing else.
Thanks
Vibha
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Oliver Keyes
<okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
So, wide-in-scope-and-slightly-TL;DR followup:
I'd ask for us to avoid statements like "if you want to see
them, come by my desk".
This is not something specific to this situation, and I want
to take clear I'm not taking issue with anyone in particular
(Vibha and I discussed the issue, the designs will be in the
Monday meeting, no harm, no foul)., but: I think we have a
tendency to have a lot of discussions in-office. This is
something I noticed particularly on my most recent visit to
the WMF HQ, when it became clear precisely how many
discussions and ideas were being had and nixed and pushed
forward before seeing the light of day from a remote worker's
perspective, probably aided by meetings people like Siebrand,
Tomasz, Arthur and I have been having with HR and OIT about
bridging the office-remote divide. It's being done becaise we
all want the WMF to work efficiently and quickly. This is
understandable, it's laudable, it's inevitable given the
state of perpetual pressure we're under; we have a thousand
things we need to fix and only the resources to fix ten
correctly. We need to move fast and we need to move in the
right direction so that we can get /*/something*, the 90
percent product, out rather than spending eternity spinning
our wheels on the 100 percent product. But, here's the rub:
much like the relationship between quitting drinking and
living longer, keeping things in-person doesn't actually make
us move faster, it just makes it feel faster.
Like it or not, we've got geographically distributed
employees. A lot of them work from SF, sure, but we've got
people in Spain, the Netherlands, India, Australia, the UK.
And when important discussions happen in-person, we exclude
them from the conversation. This doesn't make things faste
--
Steven Walling
https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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