I want to find the statistics on this. I know the are published somewhere.
An effect that I expect occurs is that editors who begin with a WEP
class will almost always use some part of their real names in their
userids, and then come across information about why that might not be
a good idea. Even if they don't, their class participation can lead
anyone scrutinizing their contribution history to what they might
consider clues to their identity.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter
<osamadre(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
I believe lenthy quotes are discouraged on WP and as a
teacher, I would not
do this. Too easy for students to see lenghty quote as a way to get away
with copy/paste. We also should not encourage student contributions that
rely on substantial volunteer intervention later.
This is one reason why our students work first with translation (generally
English to Spanish) along with the fact that my school does a good job of
getting student to decent mastery of at least one other language. While they
are contributing content right away, they are also learning how Wikipedia
articles should be generally structured as well as comparative rhetoric as
one of the first questions we always get is "do we have to express it in
Spanish the way it is in English" (answer is a hearty "no"), not to
mention
the concept of citation (which often get confused with quotation).
One major problem with writing articles is that because so many education
systems either have never taught the basics of rhetoric (paraphrase and
synthesis) or its teaching has gone seriously downhill over the past
decades... many students are not ready to write articles from scratch.
We have probably focused too much on the creation of new articles and
ignored other student opportunities such as in illustration, programming and
even just starting out by revising and updating existing articles.
My understanding of student retention is that it is very very low, so even
though I belive that 40% number has more to do with participating classes,
Im not sure it makes an impact on the male/female ratio in Wikimedia.
Leigh
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:51:45 -0700
From: jsalsman(a)gmail.com
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia Education] gender balance of WEP recruits and guidance
on lengthy quotations
Two questions:
1. What is the gender balance of long term editors who started editing
in a WEP class? I have second-hand information that it is over 40%
female.
2. What is the WEP guidance on lengthy quotations? Do we encourage
students who, say, don't have the time or confidence in their ability
to summarize a passage they think would be a substantial improvement,
to insert it as a properly cited and quoted excerpt, or just not make
the edit?
I talked to a college professor who has never heard of the WEP but has
interesting guidance on plagiarism which doesn't really assume that
improvements are preferred even when they are lengthy quotations. How
can we get teachers to understand that as long as they are clearly
quoted and cited, other editors will come along and summarize the
salient points of important source passages later?
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