Hello,
Klexikon is fine, and I fondly remember our exchanges and experiences in
San Sebastian at Wikipedia+Education conference:
On quality, it is possible to have different opinions. :-) I understand
that the approaches and methods are different, and being happy with the
results is always the most important.
Kind regards
Ziko
Am Do., 20. Juni 2019 um 11:01 Uhr schrieb Plyd <wiki.vincent(a)amplyd.com>om>:
Hello Ziko,
Thank your for your feedback on Klexikon, how does it go there?
On what we saw on Vikidia, we can do both, provide quality content for
children, and be a learning platform.
Actually, be a learning platform is a way to provide quality content for
children.
On French-speaking Vikidia, most of the best contributors we have today
were children when they started, and I can confirm they sometimes were hard
to manage.
But it was definitly worth it. Also, children write on different subjects
than adults, especially for trendy subjects for children that we would have
forgotten.
Last thing to add, in a wiki way, every article is corrected by experienced
contributors and thus we keep a quality content.
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:41 PM Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept
for
a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have
a different approach
than
a wiki that tries to involve children as
authors.
We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have
the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues
with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it
has
been pointed out before.
It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides
quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform
for children.
Kind regards
Ziko
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158(a)hotmail.com>gt;:
> Hello Plyd,
> This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are
> unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and
> their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an
account
and even
if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most
platforms
> if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST
have
> their parents supervision or a family
account, so in the very remote
case
> that someone writes you a message from
Wikipedia, it should be handled
by
> their family.
>
> On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia.
> Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with
> Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero
> problems, and lot of confidence.
>
> You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a
wiki
> if you are under 13 years old... well, as
far as we know, and the legal
> team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data
to
contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old
contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid
it
asking for birth data certificates.
The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you
must
know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and
not very sure of that) but
most
> of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted
> Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children
> content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every
single
human
being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are
mine,
cursives not. Children are also human, and our
goal is giving knowledge
to
> every human, so we must provide knowledge to children.
>
> I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having
> only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything.
But
we
> can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known
project,
even by
educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last
year
to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a
minority language.
Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in
Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we
provide
knowledge for different ages and abilities within
the same platform. We
are
doing it, and you can also do it.
thanks
Galder
________________________________
From: Plyd <wiki.vincent(a)amplyd.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM
To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Cc: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and
Portugese
Hello Galder,
Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several
problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted
with
> adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't
feel
like
it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection
(for
example you can send a private email to a child
on Txikipedia...).
Finally
there are legal concerns about children
<13y-old contributions on a
US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a
very
> specific way of handling it).
> I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better
Vikidia
> and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated.
Nothing prevents adding a
tab
on
> Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is
> similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia.
> Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have
> shown us that we can do something really handsome :)
>
> Best, Plyd
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder158@hotmail.com<mailto:galder158@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Great news!
> Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this
with
> Txikipedia
(
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating
> articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or
the
> children version of the article.
>
> I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results
are
> great!
>
> Sincerely
>
> Galder
>
> ________________________________
> From: Education <education-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org<mailtomailto:
> education-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org>> on behalf of Houcemeddine A.
> Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr<mailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr>>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM
> To: Plyd; education(a)lists.wikimedia.org<mailtolto:
> education(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and
> Portugese
>
> Dear Mr.,
> I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching
an
> Arabic edition of Vikidia.
> Yours Sincerely,
> Houcemeddine Turki (he/him)
> Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax,
Tunisia
Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36
GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group
Member, WikiResearch Tunisia
Member, Wiki Project Med
Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee
Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee
Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb
Founder, TunSci
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Objet : [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in
Japanese and Portugese
Dear Education community,
Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we
sometimes
send messages here (in a few words, it works like
Wikipedia, but with a
few
> adaptations to be suitable for children).
>
> The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian,
a
> bit less in English with the competition of
simple. We regularly open
new
languages
when we have a group of contributors motivated.
Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have
contacts
of persons interested for the start? or contacts
who may know future
contributors?
Great thanks for any tip
Best, Plyd
https://www.vikidia.org
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