Especially now, when you in Greece have a hard economic time I think it is even more
important to give the kids hope for the future, and hope for work might be abroad...
Without language skills you are lost in space if you try to find work then... I know this
because I have tried to help a lot of latinos who has tried to find job in Sweden now
(harsh times in Spain too), but if you only speak Spanish you are on thin ice in Sweden...
With English you have better chanses (and could then use the great language-links existing
on the net. I have done a page for them with links
http://nyttolankar.blogspot.se/2013/02/sfi-svenska-for-invandrare.html but with no
language skills it is hard...)
To learn English this way you might even learn them more about history and the danger with
the extreme right party... and that is a very important issue to work with!
Best regards, and have a wonderful weekend. (I will have, but a chilly one, we have -5
degrees Celcius and much snow, last year at this time we had +18...)/HArald
From: theoth(a)otenet.gr
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:13:13 +0200
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Wikimedia Education Program
Hi Harald and thanks for the
feedback:)
Yes you're right, it's a good opportunity for them
to learn the importance of languages in practice. Two of them did write
descriptions in English (I told our English teacher and she was excited, she
promised "bonus points" in her class for students who write in English on the
project: this could work as an extra motivation for the rest of the
students too).
I like the simile of Wiki(m or p, makes no
difference to me, all WMF projects are fantastic)edia to a kinder egg, hehe very
nice! And true... I love it when my students check back to see how the articles
they initiated have "grown" and developed:)
Have a great weekend,
Mina
----- Original Message -----
From:
Harald
Andersson
To: Wikimedia Education
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:39
AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education]
Wikimedia Education Program
Nice work!
My opinion is that your home language is good to know, BUT here you have
a perfect place to show your student the importance of knowing languages. They
already knows that the whole world will be looking at them, but the whole
world does not speak Greek...
It use to be hard for students to "understand" why they shall learn new
things, unless you explain. Here it is self-explained. Use English (to force
them to learn, it is a school!), but at home it is up to them...
I my self is teaching my own kids better english by letting them
translate English articles into Swedish. (Not complete, but the read and pic
the most interesting things). Then they learn a language and can see that
people actually read and improve what they have done. Its like a kinderegg
(butt better for your teeths): 3 in one (new article, a learning opporturny
and it is fun for them)
Best regards,
Harald
(user: Adville, home wiki: svwp)
From: theoth(a)otenet.gr
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:34:07 +0200
To:
education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Wikimedia
Education Program
Hi to all from Kefalonia, Greece:)
Our school has been editing Greek Wikipedia under my guidance since 2007,
but this year we have shifted to Commons: it was simply the PERFECT place to
publish the material we are gathering from two projects in Upper Secondary!
And, for the first time, I have 4 pupils uploading with their own accounts
(rather than handing their work over to me for the uploading/gallery
building). All I have to do is "touch up" their work. Read about it here, in
the post I wrote for WMF Global blog last month:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/21/education-program-greece/,
links to projects are included in post).
Have a look at the Villages project. A pupil of mine is very keen on
photography, and he released a set of photos that he had already taken with
his mobile phone. Another pupil (username "Deliko") uploaded them to Commons
and added the photos to the gallery. (See first item in gallery, "Argostoli",
which is our capital). Although our designation was around three photos for
each village, Argostoli has so many points of interest that we added
11.
We are still in a "dilemma" over whether we should use English or Greek
for captions in the gallery (-ies) (if you have a look now, you'll see it's
mixed up: other captions are Greek, others English). I intend to "streamline"
the gallery soon, but I need input on language. A user who has been helping us
in categorizing (Foroa) suggested Greek as a baseline, but I think that would
make it difficult for international users to "follow". Using both Greek and
English captions would "clutter" the page, in my opinion (unless we're
talking
about very small captions). We try to add descriptions in both languages on
each individual file page (at least when I'm around: I'm bilingual, but not
all my pupils are fluent in English). What do you think? Any feedback would be
greatly appreciated:)
To everybody: keep up the good work in using Wikimedia in education, and
keep us posted!
Best,
Mina (user Saintfevrier)
On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:14 PM, LiAnna Davis wrote:
Hi James, and welcome!
Beat is exactly right: the "Wikipedia" part of the Wikipedia Education
Program branding is for outreach purposes; people outside our movement
understand Wikipedia and not Wikimedia, but that doesn't mean we only
encourage educational projects on Wikipedia. Commons is another popular
project we encourage students to participate in, although there are more.
See
http://education.wikimedia.org/casestudies and add your
own assignments to contribute to sister projects -- we're always looking to
inspire people to try new assignments.
The trick is to find an appropriate assignment for each course.
Wikipedia article writing is common because most disciplines require
students to write a research paper or a literature review section so it is
an easy replacement, but that's obviously not the *only* option. The video
and photography courses we've worked with have all produced great content
for Commons, and one journalism professor we've worked with has had his
students write articles for Wikinews. Making the switch from traditional
assignment to Wikimedia assignment will be painful for every professor who
isn't already a Wikimedian, because of the learning curve, so finding the
most closely related assignment possible on a Wikimedia project is
important.
I look forward to hearing more about the symposium you linked on the
outreach wiki page -- sadly, the link seems to be dead, but we're always
interested in hearing more of what people are doing globally, both on this
list and in the newsletter:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education_Portal/Newsletter
If you're attending the Chapters Meeting, I also encourage you to come
for the Education Program Workshop, where we'll discuss how to grow programs
and share learnings globally:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Education_Program/Education_Pr…
LiAnna
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Estermann Beat
<beat.estermann(a)bfh.ch> wrote:
Hi
James,
Concerning the p à m
thing:
I
think outside the Wiki(p/m)edia movement, the “Wikipedia” brand is way
better known and more popular than the m-brand.
Therefore, it probably makes sense in most cases to use this
brand to approach “new” people when doing outreach. Even when talking
about WPs sister projects you’ll probably find yourself referring to WP
first and then going on to explain the particularities of the sister
project.
This
in mind, I think it shouldn’t be too hard to adapt the texts in a way that
it becomes clear to the “insiders” that Wikipedia isn’t meant
exclusively…
I’ve
just read one of the manuals of the WP Education Programme today – they
recommend as a starter task to have students take a photo and upload it to
Commons.. here you go!
Best,
Beat
From: education-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
James Neill
Sent: Mittwoch, 20. März 2013
14:01
To: Wikimedia Education
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia
Education] Wikimedia Education Program
Thanks, already, Tom and Beat - I'll work with the
Educational Portal (new for me) and try not to change too many p -> m !
;) I look forward to hearing more about Brazil's education work with
sister projects.
I find it is also a problem/opportunity with other
WMF initiatives being too WP-focused e.g., Wikipedia Town - why not
Wikimedia Town with QRcodes that can go to any sister project
page?
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Estermann Beat
<beat.estermann(a)bfh.ch> wrote:
Hi
James,
The
Wiki(m/p) Education Portal on Outreach is open for initiatives aiming at
Wikipedia’s sister projects as well:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education_Portal
Why
don’t you just include any case studies, tips and resources concerning the
sister projects on the existing portal? – And don’t forget to contribute
reports about cool projects in the “This Month in Education”
Newsletter!
Best
regards,
Beat
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[mailto:education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
James Neill
Sent: Mittwoch, 20. März 2013
12:58
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject:
[Wikimedia Education] Wikimedia Education Program
Hi,
I
wanted to reach out and say hello. I'm James Neill
(jtneill).
I've
sketched out the beginnings of an outreach
project:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Education_Program
which
is simply to expand the Wikipedia Education Program to focus on all sister
projects rather than just Wikipedia.
Perhaps
you already have something like this in mind, hence I'm touching base to
see what you think.
Sincerely,
James
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