Hello,
The Discovery team has been making good progress in enabling cross language
search results on several wiki's and now we need help in translating a
phrase: "*showing results from"*.
We recently deployed <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142413> [1] a
language detection algorithm on the Portuguese and Japanese wiki's that
will detect if certain languages are being keyed in using languages other
than the main language of the wiki.
For instance, we're now able to detect the following languages that are
typed into a query on these primary language wiki's:
Portuguese: PT, EN, RU, HE, AR, ZH, KO, EL
Japanese: JA, EN, RU, KO, AR, HE
But, we have a need for the system message to be translated - the system
message that notifies the user that the results displayed are from a
different language wiki. Here are working links from PT
<https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Washington+Township%2C+Licking+…>
[2] and JA
<https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Washington+Township%2C+Licking+…>
[3] that show a search example with the results displayed.
*Image
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Showing_results_from-russian.png>
[4] showing
the sample results from an English search typed into the Russian Wikipedia
search box.*
It would be great if we can get these translations into translatewiki so
that the Discovery team can use them using these message keys (and this
message group link: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?
group=ext-wikimediainterwikisearchresults):
Portugese
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-wikimed…>
[5]:
search-interwiki-results-enwiki
search-interwiki-results-ruwiki
search-interwiki-results-hewiki
search-interwiki-results-arwiki
search-interwiki-results-zhwiki
search-interwiki-results-kowiki
search-interwiki-results-elwiki
Japanese
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-wikimed…>
[6]:
search-interwiki-results-enwiki
search-interwiki-results-ruwiki
search-interwiki-results-kowiki
search-interwiki-results-arwiki
search-interwiki-results-hewiki
Cheers from the Discovery Search Team!
[1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142413
[2] https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Washington+
Township%2C+Licking+County%2C+Ohio&title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%
D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%
81%D0%BA&go=%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8&searchToken=
34w86qi6kx0l5ax7jm0ewuuii
[3] https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Washington+
Township%2C+Licking+County%2C+Ohio&title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%
D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%
81%D0%BA&go=%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8&searchToken=
cbgdevpo338175t32wggwbhqh
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Showing_results_from-russian.png
[5] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:
Translate&group=ext-wikimediainterwikisearchresults&
language=pt&filter=&action=translate
[6] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:
Translate&group=ext-wikimediainterwikisearchresults&
language=ja&filter=&action=translate
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Deb Tankersley
Product Manager, Discovery
IRC: debt
Wikimedia Foundation
Thanks, Takashi! :)
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Deb Tankersley
Product Manager, Discovery
IRC: debt
Wikimedia Foundation
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Takashi OTA <
supertakot+translators(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> HI Deborah,
>
> Done for Japanese messages.
> Thanks.
>
> --Takashi [[U:Takot]]
>
> 2016年8月26日(金) 13:23 Takashi OTA <supertakot+translators(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Deborah,
>>
>> I'll take on JA this weekend.
>> Please wait for a while.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --Takot
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 05:57 Deborah Tankersley <
>> dtankersley(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stryn,
>>>
>>> We really only need these languages to be translated for:
>>>
>>> Portuguese: PT, EN, RU, HE, AR, ZH, KO, EL
>>> Japanese: JA, EN, RU, KO, AR, HE
>>>
>>>
>>> As those are the only languages that we're looking for on the PT and JA
>>> wiki sites in order to determine if the user typed in one of those
>>> languages. We didn't enable the feature for ALL languages.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Deb
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Deb Tankersley
>>> Product Manager, Discovery
>>> IRC: debt
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Stryn <strynwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm, there is really no easier way to translate those?
>>>>
>>>> Showing results from [[:als:Main_Page|Alemannic Wikipedia]].
>>>> Showing results from [[:cbk-zam:Main_Page|Chavacano Wikipedia]]
>>>>
>>>> There are many languages where I don't know the Finnish translation, so
>>>> I would need to Google them first.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have system messages for language names? Like "Chavacano"?
>>>> Then if do, would only need to translate the "showing results from"
>>>> part and the rest could come from the system message? Or is it too complex?
>>>>
>>>> ... Ok I just found it, we have messages "MediaWiki:Project-localized-
>>>> name-akwiki/fi", can't we merge in some way those messages?
>>>> Now we have messages for "Wikimedia Project Names" and "Wikimedia
>>>> Interwiki Search Results". I mean it just makes so much work for
>>>> translators to translate those both.
>>>> We can't use directly the messages from the "Wikimedia Project Names"
>>>> groups for interwiki search texts because of conjugates, but something
>>>> like "Showing results from: {{MediaWiki:Project-localized-
>>>> name-akwiki/fi}}" would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> *Stryn*
>>>>
>>>> *Suomenkielisen Wikipedian ylläpitäjä & osoitepaljastaja / Admin and
>>>> checkuser on the Finnish Wikipedia*
>>>>
>>>> *Wikidatan ylläpitäjä / Admin on Wikidata*
>>>>
>>>> *Meta-Wikin ylläpitäjä / Admin on Meta-Wiki*
>>>> *Ylivalvoja / Steward*
>>>>
>>>> 2016-08-18 22:45 GMT+03:00 Deborah Tankersley <
>>>> dtankersley(a)wikimedia.org>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Discovery team has been making good progress in enabling cross
>>>>> language search results on several wiki's and now we need help in
>>>>> translating a phrase: "*showing results from"*.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
The phab folks so far have resisted really fixing autocomplete. And they
won't accept patches that don't align with their own product vision. Thus,
at least so far, the answer has been "you can't get there from here."
Kevin Smith
Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Grrr.
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99739
>
> Hey who can we Barnstar to get this fixed?
>
> J
>
>
Today, we renamed #Discovery-Search-Backlog to #Discovery-Search, converted
#Discovery-Search-Sprint to be a "milestone" within it, and renamed the
milestone to just "Current work". This aligns with the same change we made
with the #Discovery-Analysis project workboards a couple weeks ago.
The visible effects are:
- In #Discovery-Search, there is now a "Current work" column at the far
right. It lists everything in the milestone that was currently named
"sprint".
- You can drag items into or out of the milestone column, and the
appropriate project tags will be added/removed.
- If you manually add either the Discovery-Search or Current work
project to a task, phabricator will automatically remove the other one.
- The "sprint' board name now is now displayed as "Discovery-Search
(Current work)"
Note that the sequence of tasks in the "Current work" column has no
relationship or effect on where that task appears within the Current work
workboard.
If you have any questions or concerns, let me know.
Kevin Smith
Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
Hi Stryn,
We really only need these languages to be translated for:
Portuguese: PT, EN, RU, HE, AR, ZH, KO, EL
Japanese: JA, EN, RU, KO, AR, HE
As those are the only languages that we're looking for on the PT and JA
wiki sites in order to determine if the user typed in one of those
languages. We didn't enable the feature for ALL languages.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
Deb
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Deb Tankersley
Product Manager, Discovery
IRC: debt
Wikimedia Foundation
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Stryn <strynwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, there is really no easier way to translate those?
>
> Showing results from [[:als:Main_Page|Alemannic Wikipedia]].
> Showing results from [[:cbk-zam:Main_Page|Chavacano Wikipedia]]
>
> There are many languages where I don't know the Finnish translation, so I
> would need to Google them first.
>
> Do we have system messages for language names? Like "Chavacano"?
> Then if do, would only need to translate the "showing results from" part
> and the rest could come from the system message? Or is it too complex?
>
> ... Ok I just found it, we have messages "MediaWiki:Project-localized-
> name-akwiki/fi", can't we merge in some way those messages?
> Now we have messages for "Wikimedia Project Names" and "Wikimedia
> Interwiki Search Results". I mean it just makes so much work for
> translators to translate those both.
> We can't use directly the messages from the "Wikimedia Project Names"
> groups for interwiki search texts because of conjugates, but something
> like "Showing results from: {{MediaWiki:Project-localized-name-akwiki/fi}}"
> would be nice.
>
> *Stryn*
>
> *Suomenkielisen Wikipedian ylläpitäjä & osoitepaljastaja / Admin and
> checkuser on the Finnish Wikipedia*
>
> *Wikidatan ylläpitäjä / Admin on Wikidata*
>
> *Meta-Wikin ylläpitäjä / Admin on Meta-Wiki*
> *Ylivalvoja / Steward*
>
> 2016-08-18 22:45 GMT+03:00 Deborah Tankersley <dtankersley(a)wikimedia.org>:
>
>>
>> The Discovery team has been making good progress in enabling cross
>> language search results on several wiki's and now we need help in
>> translating a phrase: "*showing results from"*.
>>
>>
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>
>
Hi Ravi,
Thanks for writing about this reverse use case for our new language search
detection, it is an interesting point.
I'm not sure that we'd want to automatically add in the English wikidata
links to all the language wiki's because I'm not sure that those users
would want that, especially in the wiki's that use the Latin alphabet.
For instance - on the Tamil Wikipedia, would users search for 'wolf' or are
they really looking for a Latin transliteration of the Tamil word for wolf?
If so, it would mean that the search would be trying to phonetically match
English queries to non-English articles. For names - this transliteration
is often the same, but for other things they're generally not the same at
all.
I've cc'd the Discovery email list to see if there are additional thoughts
and feedback on this question.
Cheers,
Deb
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Deb Tankersley
Product Manager, Discovery
IRC: debt
Wikimedia Foundation
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Ravi <ravishankar.ayyakkannu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Regarding https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/07/27/wikipedia-language-search
> :
>
> There is actually a need for a reverse use case. If someone searches in
> English in Tamil Wikipedia, it should detect the correct Tamil article.
> This can be implemented using Wikidata links. Many non-roman script
> (especially, indic language users) language Wikipedia users search in
> English inside the search box. They actually hope to see an article in
> their own language. Just that they could not type in their own language.
> There are some Wikipedias which actually create 1000s of redirects with
> English titles to solve this problem.
>
> Ravi
>
CCing the WMF Search and Discovery mailing list
(https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery )
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Felix Engelmann
<fengelmann(a)uni-koblenz.de> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I’m currently writing by bachelor thesis at University Koblenz, Germany. The goal is to improve Wikipedia search by exploiting the text structure of Wikipedia articles. To conduct unbiased user studies I need real world queries so I can compare the novel algorithms agains the currently used ones. Are there any query logs existing which I can use for this purpose?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Felix Engelmann
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