this discussion appears to be missing some information specifically a link
to what is being discussed
I checked
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Joseph_Sta…
doesnt reflect what Tim is referring to neither does
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Rush_limba…
are the only discussion that have been linked in the email I've
recieved thru commons-l,
If this discussion is going to start throwing around solutions that include
Commons admins having their tools removed by the foundation, and changes to
way in which commons chooses its admin and the skill requirements of these
people then we should have access to the discussion that triggered it.
As for not reading OTRS tickets unless you have access you cant read them,
OTRS agents dont normally(privacy requirements) release the information on
the ticket so Commons Admins must "assume good faith" in what we are being
told. The Stalin discussion stated that "*OTRS confirmation* - We have
received an email from the son of Margaret Bourke-White who is the current
copyright holder giving permission for the photograph to be used" at that
point every commons admin would close the discussion on the assumption of
good faith in the OTRS agents comment.
When images are transferred from Flickr the only decision is verification
of license, permissions arent something that can be considered if the
uploader askes the author they then forward the permission to OTRS so again
Commons Admins need to AGF to accuse admins of "*Part of the solution,
..... If the community is unable to do it, the office should do it. Admins
are being negligent, collude with breaches of personality rights, and
enable anonymous individuals to engage in media licensing fraud, whether
intentionally or by gross incompetence, as here for example*:" when they
dont have access to the information is disgusting these people are
volunteers the Stalin discussion followed Commons policy the decision being
made were based on available information there was no collusion there was
no incompetence intentional or otherwise. When other information was
presented to dispute the decisons the discussion reopened and closed
according to the new information that is fine example of how Commons
discussions work
The solution here isnt to alter how Commons admins work, nor how they are
chosen the issue here is ensuring OTRS agents have the knowledge to process
permission tickets so that admins can act on requests. When I started on
OTRS there was no training, or guidence on how to use the system I was left
to my own devices to learn to answer tickets In the time I was there the
OTRS wiki was started up, I was dropped off the OTRS list for not being
active so I cant comment on whats changed since nor how the OTRS wiki works
now.
Trolling is problem on all wiki's as are witch hunts the system we have
works very well, yes it has flaws including AGF and Trust but we cant work
without those, we cant work without admins either yes Commons needs more
but doesnt every wiki. Whats needed is to drop the creation of policy thru
witchhunt proccesses because we are always going to have issue with images.
the current processes work well in most cases, but future changes to way we
get images from flickr are going to stretch those processess both on
Commons and thru OTRS we need ways to deal with the effect of these
changes.
On 10 April 2012 10:14, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 06/04/12 10:22, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
This is generally a straightforward decision per
Commons:Photographs
of identifiable people. If the photos were taken in a private place,
consent is required. If the photos were taken in a public place,
consent is not required (with exceptions for some countries). What was
the justification for not following the Photographs of identifiable
people guideline?
I looked at the deletion discussions. It looked to me like personality
rights were never seriously considered.
The first three deletion requests were made anonymously, and the whole
of the request was just "Copyrights!" The fourth and fifth deletion
requests were closed by admins who gave no indication that they had
read the discussion on personality rights or the OTRS tickets, they
just said "kept per the other DRs".
Maybe if the requester knew how Commons worked, they wouldn't have
submitted deletion requests that looked so trollish. If they only sent
OTRS tickets and never tried a deletion request, the images probably
would have been deleted by now.
-- Tim Starling
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