Hi Erik,
How about dropping the terms "active editor" and "very active editor"
entirely, and instead using C1, C5, C100, etc with C(X) being the number of
contribs in a given period of time (last 30 days or last month, most
likely)?
Another alternative is to change the terminology or measures on
Special:Statistics to align with
.
Thoughts?
Pine
On Sep 12, 2015 4:25 PM, "Erik Zachte" <ezachte(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Pine,
I think that the definition on Special:Statistics
makes more sense for
"active editors" than the >=5 definition than is
commonly used in
discussions on mailing lists.
tl;dr 'active editor' is a term with a long history. If we recoin that
term and keep informing the public how many active editors we counted we
will make our public stats more vain and empty.
Long version:
This is a recurring discussion, with minor variations.
In my personal opinion our movement has a tendency to publish too extreme
numbers already, however bloated, as if our more substantial achievements
aren't awe-inspiring enough.
(examples are 'Wikipedias in 280 languages', '800 wikis', not to mention
our extreme 'article' counts)
As long as we keep these extreme counts with little substance for
ourselves I wouldn't care much about terminology, but we tend not to keep
these for ourselves.
Can I illustrate my point by reductio ad absurdum (sort of)?
Would you call a person who jots his name on a paycheck once a month and
writes nothing else a writer?
Would you call a person who climbs three steps to enter a bus a climber?
Are you a reader if you glance at a glossy's cover once at your local
barber?
A person with one edit in one particular month and maybe none in the rest
of the year to me is not much of an editor really.
It's one more person who knows of Wikipedia (we have 500+ million of
those) and found the edit and submit buttons and tried those, to see what
happens.
Now if that person likes what happened and wants to do it again we are on
to something.
The threshold of edits a person should reach before we can infer intention
and motivation is of course arbitrary, but clearly more than one in my view.
I'm not saying we shouldn’t count one-off's. If people get deterred by one
problematic edit that is hugely relevant. And the enormous gap between 1+
and 3+ edits is of course a major concern.
I would just prefer a different term rather than 'active editor', which is
what you suggest to adopt.
Cheers,
Erik
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analytics-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Pine W
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article milestone
Aha, I just figured it out. The two pages are using very different
definitions for "active editors".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics refers to anyone who has
made a *single* edit in the last 30 days as an "active editor", while
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm refers to edits that
have made *5 or more* edits in the past month as active. This mix of
terminology is confusing. I think that the definition on Special:Statistics
makes more sense for "active editors" than the >=5 definition than is
commonly used in discussions on mailing lists. Can anyone suggest a better
set of terminology to distinguish the >=1 "active editors" from the >=5
"active editors"?
Pine
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Next question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics shows
that ENWP alone has had 123,512 active editors (5 or more actions) in the
last 30 days. But
https://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ shows that for June
2015 (the latest data available there), there were only 31k active editors
on ENWP and 77k active editors for all projects combined.
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm
seems consistent with the latter, showing that for August 2015 there were
30,789 active editors. Is there an explanation for the large difference
between the 123,512 active editors shown on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics, and the 30,789 active
editors shown on
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm?
Thanks,
Pine
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks!
Pine
On Sep 11, 2015 11:20 AM, "James Forrester" <jforrester(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
On 11 September 2015 at 11:13, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Analytics,
On ENWP, does the number of 26,163,773 users
You mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics "Registered
users"? Assuming yes…
include IPs who have made edits?
No.
Does it include editors on all Wikimedia projects
No.
or just those who have registered and/or edited on ENWP?
Registered, regardless of having edited.
J.
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James D. Forrester
Lead Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
jforrester(a)wikimedia.org | @jdforrester
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