[Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity and Wikibooks: can we answer the perennial question?

[Juan de Vojníkov]

Hi all,

I agree with Teemu. Definition of both missions give us the difference:

> I think Wikibooks mission
> is very clear: "to create a free collection of open-content textbooks".
>
> The mission of the Wikiversity should then be: to create and run free
> learning projects.

I also think that Wikiversity needs the opportunity to host peaces of
Wikibook´s texts and Wikipedia´s articles and modify them. But just peaces.
Full texts should be placed on those pages.


And something from international point of view. I am Czech, my native
language is Czech. Actully Czech wikipedia is on the 22nd possition with its
more than 80 000 articles. We are also having in our language other projects
excepting Wikiversity and Wikinews. Other projects allready exists for a few
years, but they are still in the phoetal phase. Number of speaker of Czech
language is decreasing. It means, we are practicaly running just Wikipedia.
I dont prefer English for communication, thats why I found a few month ago
Czech Wikiversity on beta, but now I see, that I we would not be abble to go
for new language version request on meta. There are just about 3-5
interested people in extendeing its content. There is noone interested in
maintaining that system. We are having no resource on Wikibooks. So I would
say, we are wasting a lot of energy and time there. And this would be
simillar on other wikiversities.
So for this time, it seems me familiar to centralize all of these people
under one website and for the deep future, there might be a possibility to
differ these languages for different domains.

And one more thing on the and. Ive been on WM Polska conference this year,
having a presentation about Wikiversity. Most interest was there from the
site of Wikibookians, but their opinion was pesimistic. I think wikibookians
are a little bit affraid of loosing something. It is important to explaing
that Wikiversity is completly different projects and not just Wikibookians
will make Wikiversity´s community. See en.wikiversity, there are also people
from Wikipedia (like me) and for the future I think, new people from
outside will joint - with methodological skills.

Juan de Vojníkov (aka Juan)



2007/11/13, Teemu Leinonen <teemu.leinonen at taik.fi>:
>
> Hi Cormac,
>
> thank you for raising up this important topic in the list. I hope
> this does not end-up to be a re-run of argumentation you and me
> already have had.
>
> Cormac Lawler kirjoitti 13.11.2007 kello 23:20:
> > this has had the
> > practical outcome that these communities have extended the scope of
> > the Wikibooks project from what other Wikibooks projects are doing -
> > in hosting lesson plans and pedagogic guidance for using these
> > textbooks in class. (This latter seems to be more suited to
> > Wikiversity in my mind at least - is this also the same for you,
> > and/or is it a problem?)
>
> I think the whole Wikiversity should give-up the "content production"
> and focus on hosting communities of learners who want to do things
> together. This way Wikiversity should have only good descriptions of
> "learning projects", which are communities interested in to help each
> other to learn something. David Wiley's syllabus of Introduction to
> Open Education class is a great example of this kind of use of a
> wiki, here:
>
> http://www.opencontent.org/wiki/index.php?
> title=How_to_use_a_wiki_to_facilitate_learning
>
> This way the Wikiversity pages should focus on to manage the
> "learning projects", whereas the "learning content" would be there
> where they naturally belong to: in the other Wikimedia project's
> sites, such as Wikibooks, Wikicommons, Wikipedia etc. These projects
> are already there to have "educational content" in them. In the
> Wikiversity learning project pages there would be then of course
> links to the content pages (Wikibooks etc.).
>
> >  Put another way: what does Wikiversity do (or intend to
> > do) that Wikibooks can never do, as presently defined?
>
> Making a meaningful structure for "learning projects" and offering
> them for people so that it is very easy to participate in them is
> something Wikibooks probably will never do. I think Wikibooks mission
> is very clear: "to create a free collection of open-content textbooks".
>
> The mission of the Wikiversity should then be: to create and run free
> learning projects.
>
> > So, the 'international' dimension here comes down to whether it is
> > possible - or useful - to define how Wikiversity and Wikibooks would
> > relate _in_all_languages. If it is possible and/or useful, then it
> > might be timely to actively construct such a map of how the two
> > projects relate (eg how much overlap is ok, what the scope of each is,
> > and how they can share resources etc), and set out a framework for how
> > different languages can be set up, defined and organised around
> > various activities.
>
> I think the Wikiversity should be one, but multi-lingual. In
> Wikiversity we should offer "learning projects" in many languages and
> not build many parallel Wikiversitys in different languages. The
> languages could simple be defined with categories. This would promote
> people to do some studies on Wikiversity also in some foreign
> language, which is very "educational". :-)
>
>        - Teemu
>
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