[Wikisource-l] [Foundation-l] A successful request not yet fulfilled

Tue Apr 3 13:13:49 UTC 2007

Luiz

Perhaps it is the language barrier, but I am not sure
about what you are saying entirely.  

I think you are saying that there is a continued need
for [[:oldwikisource:]] outside of staring new
wikisources.  Of course I agree with you in that.  But
as I said, not everyone agrees with this.  I cannot be
certain of everyone I talked to about this (it was not
recently), but timichal is one person who talked of
merging content into incubator and the conversation
ended with us agreeing to disagree about the issue.  I
do not believe he was talking about the year 2859.  I
am not entirely against the idea of merging the test
wiki process, but I am against handing off that
process without some seperate conditions for
Wikisources.  First that related languages should be
required to attempt to work together to conserve
resources (i.e. in the line of de.WS hosting Low Saxon
and en.WS hosting Middle English) before being given a
test wiki.  Secondly that test wikis which do not
"pass" should be imported into [[:oldwikisource:]].  

Birgitte SB

--- Luiz Augusto <lugusto at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/2/07, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Due to past conversations I have had with people
> > involved with incubator, I read the comment about
> > "merging processes" differently than you did. 
> Perhaps
> > I am mistaken, and that is not what was meant in
> this
> > case.
> >
> > However there are people who have been clear with
> me
> > that they think  [[:oldwikisource:]] should be
> > completely merged into [[:incubator:]] in the long
> > term.
> 
> 
> With long term you is trying to say "starting at the
> 2859 year"? If yes, it
> is fine to me. The world have more than 5,000
> languages and the Wikimedia
> Foundation at this time have 63 Wikipedias, the most
> google-friendly
> project, with less than 100 articles [1]. I think
> that the [[:incubator:]]
> is a temporary hosting, not a hosting for someone
> trying to found more
> people speaking on a specific language that have
> Internet access, knows
> something related to free culture, historical texts,
> OCRing and wiki culture
> like [[:oldwikisource:]] is for some languages.
> 
> Personally I don't like to see the process of
> > starting new Wikisources taken over, because
> outside
> > people simply fail to appreciate the reality of
> > wikiSOURCE, where the content already exists in
> > tangible form (with corresponding dialects and
> > orthographies already pre-determined for each
> edition
> > of a text).  Processing requests at meta has led
> to
> > people being encouraged to start a new wikisource
> for
> > a variation of a language without ever trying to
> work
> > in the existing wiki (or even talking to them).
> [1]
> > The people I have spoken to from incubator also
> seem
> > unable to see the intrinsic differences between a
> > wikisource and a wikipedia.  From what I can see
> they
> > are planning a one-size fits all process, with no
> > differences in handling based on projects. 
> Despite
> > the fact that there are strong arguments for
> having
> > one Wikisource where there are several Wikipedias
> with
> > related languages.  If plans have changed, or I am
> > simply mistaken, please correct me.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Ancient&diff=prev&oldid=360204
> >
> > The full page seems to have been lost on meta, so
> I
> > linked one of my contributioins there
> 
> 
> My propose is a attempt of a {{merge}} between the
> current Wikisource
> Multilingual policy + langcom policy + proposed
> policies to the Wikisource
> Multilingual [2].
> 
> The problem is the pun "Wikimedia" naming the
> foundation. The press
> generally ignores the others projects due to it.
> Google and Yahoo! sometimes
> aren't friendly with theirs search results for
> non-Wikipedia projects,
> specially for non-English languages. The Wikimedia
> Foundation tries to do
> attention to all projects, but sometimes Wikipedia
> suck all of their energy
> due to the media coverage to Wikipedia and the lack
> of media coverage for
> non-Wikipedia projets. The result: users with only
> basic knowledge thinks
> that Wiktionary is a mini-Wikipedia with the same
> rules and needs, Wikibooks
> is a Wikipedia for big articles and the Wikisource
> is the big trashcan for
> texts that newbies adds to the Wikipedia articles.
> 
> Moving the requests to the Meta-Wiki is IMHO the
> best solution because:
> 
> * You don't need to someone remeber the existence of
> a wiki that may have
> requests for new languages placed on then, neither
> to prays to someone check
> that page/wiki regularly during the small amout of
> seconds per month that
> Wikipedia isn't sucking all attention
> * You can simply vote as against on meta if no one
> is placing text-units on
> the correct place (specially if something on [2] may
> give a chance to move
> from proposal to policy)
> * You stop the behaviour "let's go to the
> [[:oldwikisource:]] only to vote
> for new languages and to delete old stuff" specially
> because you can vote as
> against if no one is adding texts neither in the
> right place neither in the
> wrong place, again specially if something on [2]....
> forcing to that wiki
> having someone rather than Volapuk and India
> national languages speakers
> adding periodically new texts.
> 
> 
> [1] - http://s23.org/wikistats/wikipedias_html.php
> 
> [2] -
>
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikisource-l/2007-April/000224.html
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