[Wikipedia-l] Moldovan wikipedia, again

Fri Jun 30 07:53:55 UTC 2006

Nuance:
  - You say it's a wikipedia with no native contributor.
  - But we proved here that there is NO CONTRIBUTOR AT ALL. 
    Your "contributions" are stolen from ro.wikipedia. 

I know of the Wikipedia licencing policy, but this still is utterly 
unethical: One person copying articles from one wikipedia to another 
and then claiming they are different just because the script was 
changed.

Actually, this is what infuriates me and makes me fight here. This is 
why I, a Romanian, am involved. The "Moldovan" identity is the problem 
of the Moldovan people. I have already said that once a native Moldovan 
speaker wants a Moldovan wikipedia, I'll help him create it.

But you are not Moldovan. You are not able to write Moldovan. 
You pretend helping some people that did not ask for your help. 
No native Moldovan expressed an interest in your wikipedia.

In fact, all people from Moldova, here on Wikipedia, say they 
speak Romanian. You have Oleg Alexandrov, which used to help you, 
but then dropped you when he saw you profess extreme oppinions. 
You have Dmitriid, which marks ro-2 in his Babel box, not mo-2, and 
would agree for an automatic translation tool from Romanian, a tool
that exists (as he said two days ago).

And these are the ones that you claim to have (or have had) 
on your side.  Because there are Moldovans, like Pavel, that are 
utterly mad at you for supporting Stalinist points of view.

You can always come with arguments of the sort:
- there is an ISO code
- maybe, in the future, there will be some community
- the bad Romanians are against it

BUT: RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO COMMUNITY, no interest in 
your work, aside from the interest of your opponents (the people you
plagiarize), and that of some innocent bystanders on this list and 
elsewhere, that are forced into listening all this because you won't 
accept that you serve nobody's interest. 

Dpotop

Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote: If Wikipedias with no native contributors are so evil, why don't you
request locking of the over 100 Wikipedias for which this is the case?

You might say that none of them have any people writing, but that is
not true. Wikipedias such as the Lingala Wikipedia (ln.wp) are filled
with content created by non-native speakers, and you aren't
complaining about them. Why is that? Why don't you go on a crusade to
close the Lingala Wikipedia? Or the Maori Wikipedia?

Mark

On 29/06/06, Jacky PB  wrote:
>
> Hello Gerard,
>
> I don't really understand what you are implying.
>
> But I can repeat why we ask for the deletion of
> mo.wikipedia (all of these are already proven in
> previous messages):
>
> 1. There is no community. Nobody on wikipedia is both
> interested in having it and able to contribute.
>
> 2. All content is copied from ro.wikipedia and
> transliterated. There are better, already tested ways
> of changing script, if someone wants it.
>
> 3. In the current status, mo.wikipedia is in fact a
> heaven for trolls of all sorts.
>
> Of course, deletion needs not be permanent. As soon as
> the condition 1 becomes false (as soon as a community
> forms), the moldovan wikipedia can be re-created.
>
> Yours,
> Jacky
>
> --- Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
>
> > Liviu Andronic wrote:
> > > ... The big issue comes mainly from the
> > desinformation that mo.wikipediacreates.
> > >
> > > The content that is currently on mo.wikipedia is
> > written in a language that
> > > is not used any more in the Republic of Moldova.
> > It could be argued that
> > > Moldovan is used by a minority in the territory of
> > Moldova (in private and
> > > personal matters), and by a part of population
> > (mainly Moldovan schools) in
> > > Transnistria.  Please note that Cyrillic Moldovan
> > is not used on a large
> > > scale (that is, generally speaking, you won't
> > encounter Moldovan Cyrillic
> > > anywhere in Moldova). At least for Moldova, I can
> > assure you, as I am a
> > > native Moldovan. As far as Transnistria is
> > concerned, I really doubt it.
> > >  Even the   official presidential website
> > > doesn't
> > > contain any Cyrillic Moldovan content. ...
> > >
> > Hoi,
> > Either the information is correct, and given that it
> > is said to be
> > information from the Romanian language Wikipedia it
> > should be both
> > correct and NPOV. If it is not correct or NPOV,
> > /both/ the Romanian and
> > the Moldovian language Wikipedia are to be
> > considered problematic. All
> > the rest is very much politics, posturing and
> > intransigence.
> >
> > I am sure that this continued existence is best
> > ignored. Consider you
> > are either a party to this dispute or you could not
> > care less. When  the
> > argument is that the mo wikipedia is occupied by
> > trolls, remember they
> > thrive by getting attention.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >    GerardM
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