[Wikipedia-l] Saterlandic Frisian Wikipedia

[Pavol Cupka]

Hi,

I don't have enough information about the Frisian languages, but I
must react to what was said about Slovak, Czech and Polish language.
These are (Slovakia, Czech republic and Poland) three different and
independent countries. They have one common ancestor the Slavic
language but that is the same as for English and German language
(Germanic languages). So to wrap it up these languages are different
languages (with diff. grammar, etc.) and not dialects or even one
language.

Example:
PL - Każdy może się do nas przyłączyć - również Ty, bez żadnych
formalności, możesz dodawać i modyfikować artykuły.
CZ - Každý se k nám může přihlásit - taktéž i Ty, bez nějakých
formalit, můžeš přidávat a upravovat články.
SK - Každý sa k nám môže prihlásiť - aj Ty, bez nejakých formalít,
môžeš pridávať a upravovať články.

Thank you and good luck with the Frisian languages

[[:sk:User:Palica]]


On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:55:42 -0700, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Wouter,
> 
> I don't think there can be much practical opposition to your request
> because in practical terms, East Frisian / Saterlandic Frisian and
> West Frisian / Westerlauwers Frisian are different languages.
> 
> I think you should create a mainpage at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/test-wp/Friisk and you could also
> perhaps create some sample content pages.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:35:39 -0500, Stephen Forrest
> <stephen.forrest at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Forwarded to Wikipedia-l as requested by the author, who mistakenly
> > sent it only to me...
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Wouter Steenbeek <musiqolog at hotmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:00:13 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Saterlandic Frisian Wikipedia
> > To: stephen.forrest at gmail.com
> >
> > >I believe you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saterland_Frisian_language.
> > >
> > >For the purposes of ISO 639 codes, Saterland Frisian is regarded as a
> > >dialect of Frisian.  Can you provide a rationale for why working
> > >within the Frisian Wikipedia is not tenable?
> > >
> > >I seem to recall reading that there were different spelling
> > >conventions for the Frisian spoken in Germany and that spoken in the
> > >Netherlands.  I have no idea how significant these differences are.
> > >
> > >Steve
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> > You were right: I used the wrong link. Just a matter of mental absence ;).
> >
> > What is a dialect? There is a seperate Wiki for Aromanian, though it can
> > easily be classified as a Romanian dialect. There are Limburgish, Low Saxon
> > and Alemannic Wikis, though German and Dutch would do well for all three of
> > them. Some tend to classify Czech, Slowakian and even Polish as one
> > language, but no-one question the legitimity of the seperate wikis.
> > According to many scolars, West Lauwer Frisian and Saterland Frisian are
> > dialects of the Frisian language, along with North Frisian. Some do,
> > however, consider it a separate language. Let me point out the differences
> > and similarities.
> >
> > Westlauwer Frisian has, like Hollandic Dutch, only two genders: gendered and
> > neuter (de man, de frou, it ding). Saterlandic has three (di Mon, ju Fauene,
> > dät Diert). Westlauwer Frisian lost, again along with Dutch, its cases,
> > while Saterlandic preserved its dative and accusative cases. Westlauwer
> > Frisian has a complex system of diphthong which are the consequences of an
> > elaborate breaking process during the early Modern Age; this process has
> > left Saterlandic totally untouched; instead it developed other
> > mutation(ljibbe - lieuwje; swiet - swäit; leaf - ljoof). As a result,
> > Westlauwer Frisians and Saterland Frisians cannot understand each other,
> > unless they studied the other language.
> > Another important difference is in the vocabulary: Westlauwer Frisian draws
> > on Dutch, Saterland Frisian on German. Finally, Standard Westlauwer Frisian
> > has no official or prescriptive status in the Saterland: If Frisian is used
> > at all officially (which happens increasingly), Saterfrisian is used.
> >
> > Maybe I will point this out with some comparative samples in the article on
> > Saterlandic.
> >
> > Wouter
> >
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