[Wikipedia-l] Request for creation of Dutch-Low Saxon (nds-nl)

[Mark Williamson]

Also, the difference in spelling is easily solved.

Differences, as far as I know:

(German spelling -> Dutch spelling)
Final nn -> n
s -> z
i -> ie
o -> ao
au -> aau
ei -> aai
u -> oe/o
f -> v
ü -> u
mm -> m
a -> aa
ee -> eei
ou -> oe
ä -> ae / e
ö -> eu/ui
ll -> l
ou -> oou
w -> v/w
oo -> o
gg -> g
chC -> gC
uhi -> oei

Spelling can easily be converted, see
http://s87257573.onlinehome.us/ks/index.php?title=Nds-test&variant=ks-de
(obviously there are some shortcomings, but these can be fixed with a
little programming).

Mark

On 26/06/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, are you saying that a man from Lars cannot understand a man from
> Gramsbergen??
> 
> Of course, this must be so, since the man from Lars speaks "German Low
> Saxon" and the man from Gramsbergen speaks "Dutch Low Saxon"... since
> of course languages always follow exactly political divisions.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 26/06/05, Wouter Steenbeek <musiqolog at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >As I noted before, it is a dialect continuum.
> > All of the continental West Germanic language variants form a dialect
> > continuum, with the possible exception of the Frisian tongues.
> > >Stellingwarfs and Middel-pommersch are surely not mutually
> > >intelligible, but Grunnegers and Oostfreesk very well should be.
> > Yes, so are Berlinic and High German. And East-Veluws and Dutch. But
> > Grunnegers and Oostfreesk are not or barely mutually intelligible when
> > written down, because of the different spellings.
> >
> > >You are foolishly dividing Platt by nations. This is illogical. If we
> > >had an Oostfreesk Wikipedia, Grunnegers-speakers would surely
> > >understand it and vice-versa, even though Grunnegers is in the
> > >Netherlands and Oostfreesk is mostly in Germany.
> >
> > "Foolishly"... Mr. I-owe-all-the-world's-languages'-wisdom.... May I point
> > at the difference in spelling once more? And don't you think that the bulk
> > of the Dutch Low-Saxon dialects share some features most German dialects
> > don't?
> > >The problem of dialect continuum is a very difficult one.
> > Yes, so it can't be solved by one such disregarding message.
> > >HOWEVER, given the community reaction to a request for a Baseldytsch
> > >Wikipedia, I think the same is logical for a request for a "Dutch Low
> > >Saxon" Wikipedia
> > Is it? Is Servien requesting a Wikipedia for just one town, or region? No,
> > she obviously realises that, though the speaking communities hardly link
> > dialects on any higher level than their own region (they will never say they
> > speak Low Saxon, but always either the dialect of their own village or
> > region, Twents, Sallands, Drents etc.), we should group some of them
> > together. This is very different from what the proposer of the Baseldytsch
> > Wikipedia did: he simply said: "I have no affinity with the other Alemannic
> > dialects, so I want to open one for my dialect only".
> > >-- your language may be different to whatever degree
> > >than what many people on X Wikipedia use, but there is no rule
> > >forbidding its use. There is no rule against writing pages and pages
> > >and pages of content on nds.wiki in Stellingwarfs or Achterhooks. When
> > >I suggested doing this, I got a cold response that Dutch Low Saxon and
> > >German Low Saxon aren't mutually intelligible. Before whinging to us
> > >about that, can you at least actually try to use your dialect on
> > >nds.wiki to prove to us that it really doesn't work?
> > Some users of nds: made clear that they only use one spelling: the Sass one.
> > Dutch Low Saxon dialects are /never/ written in German spellings, except
> > with some German-initiated projects.
> >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > Imo, the combined facts of mutual confusion in both speach and spelling
> > makes this idea a valuable one.
> >
> > Wouter
> >
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