[Wikipedia-l] culture - recipes and other stuff

[Sabine Cretella]

So some of you say: a recipe is not part of culture and has nothing to 
do with encyclopedias .... hmmmm ...

So maybe you can tell me what these links and sublinks have to do with 
"culture"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_television_channels
many of them are private and therefore this could be considered 
publicity - or not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_videos_played_on_MTV_Jams
this is 100% encyclopedic content as it seems - more "culture" than a 
recipe ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Episode_lists
and this would be than a must for culture, right???

I could go ahead with lots and lots of categories/links that make up 
wikipedia - if these articles are there someone is interested in it - if 
recipes are there someone is interested in it - so who we are to decide 
what is interesting for people and what not what they search on 
wikipedia and what not? I just don't read what is not interesting for me 
(and I maybe don't consider as encyclopedic content), but maybe you read 
it as it is interesting for you (and consider it encyclopedic content).

Taking recipes outside wikipedia without having proper interwikilinks 
makes no sense. If I remember well, links to wiktionary were deleted 
from wikipedia as "not relevant" ... but links from wiktionary to 
wikipedia were welcome (strange behavior ... against the spirit of all 
collaborative projects).

So: or you create a proper structure with proper links for people who 
are interested in recipes if you don't like the actual structure and 
propose it or you let those work who are obviously interested in it.

Just deleting and saying: do wherever you'd like to do it, or saying 
just "go there" without proposing on how to connect, but don't work here 
is not an answer.

If you say a description of a dish is OK, but not the recipe then from 
this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Night
Lyrics should be taken to wikisource

There's no difference between the description of a song and the lyrics 
and the description of a dish and the recipe. Now you say: but lyrics 
are unique - this is not true - Silent Night in Italian has three 
different versions of lyrics ... so three recipes for the same dish (music)

When I first saw the recipes on wikipedia some weeks ago searching for 
Christmas stuff I liked it and passed the link to some cooking-groups 
that were simply delighted. If someting is interesting for an 
enyclopedia always depends on the people you ask so ask the right people 
and you will have as many positive or negative answers as you need.

If you want to pass recipes to a section in wikibooks you need to 
present a proposal on how to show this "clearly" as an interwiki-link 
and not just below the article with "for further information please see" 
... (that probably is then going to be deleted as someone starts to 
think it is not relevant and the same discussion starts over again).

Instead of writing thousands of negative words please start to think 
positive and create something out of this discussion. We are not here to 
work one against the other but to work together.

Sorry, but I was thinking about so many words written here that could 
have been used for articles, improvements etc. - or to create the 
proposal of a structure.

Ciao, Sabine