[Wikipedia-l] Re: Quenya language request, and Chinese Wikipedia again

[Alex Y. Kwan]

Hello,

Sheng Jiong wrote:
> I have been called talking "crap". I would appreciate if you can argue
> using facts and not simply call other people's opinions "crap" too.

I, afaik, have never called your words "crap" and if I have, I 
apologize. What I object to, however, is your constant attempts to 
demean other people's entirely sincere efforts in creating another 
wikipedia. The point I'm trying to bring up isn't if their/our project 
is viable or not, but that your very attitude of disdain implies that 
you entered into this discussion merely to ridicule those of us who wish 
to see our proposal accepted.

> Maybe you can. But has majority of the Hong Kongers start writing
> Cantonese down?

I don't know; I've never done a poll about it. But if push comes to 
shove, I'd say yes, of course yes. For fun, for short messages, for 
memos, for online BBS, whatever, but yes. You've been asking this 
question repeatedly, and I, along with everyone else, have been giving 
the same answer.

> Well, that I should ask you people. I find myself engaged in a flame
> war with three persons whose total number of contributions to
> Wikipedia are less than that of mine alone.

...You consider this a flame war?! I've been trying to be nothing but 
perfectly polite. You're the one whom I consider...discourteous.

And how'd you know whether your contributions are more or less than 
those of us?

> And remind you, if you have not already known, one of Chinese
> Wikipedia's founding member, [[User:Lorenzarius]], was from Hong Kong.
> And he was one of the main opposer of splitting Chinese Wikipedia into
> Simplified and Traditional version before there was a conversion
> script. And [[User:Tomchiukc]] is still an active Hong Kong
> Wikipedian.

That's...not relevant to this particular discussion. Good for them, yay 
Hong Kong.

And I'll refrain myself from any discussion about Traditional vs. 
Simplified Chinese.

> Chinese Wikipedian community is relatively small(if you count active
> contributors, I think there are less than 100), and to have 2 very
> active users from Hong Kong is already an achievement, considering the
> percentage of Chinese users in Hong Kong in comparison with mainland
> China.

Now you're implying something about HKers that I don't have the time to 
discern. I actually don't find it surprising at all that there are so 
"many" HKers contributing in wikipedia, but to get into the reasons 
would be...rude to the mainland Chinese.

> Because you are showing me exceptions. I am sure your being able to
> sit here and write means you should be able to understand what is
> "widely accepted".

Again, just because we're on different sides of an issue doesn't mean 
you need to try to insult your opponents.

little Alex