[Wikipedia-l] New Wikipedia langage solresol

Sun Oct 3 14:22:46 UTC 2004

Hi

Thank you Mark for your open approach of the request.

Anthere I will take bake my candidature for the two new languages.

As I did discover yesterday this background mailing list (I did all the time
suppose that all the talk where open talks in the open-talk pages; I know,
it was naive) I was chocked.

I did think about this matter during the evening and the night and I think
that different important points of view in the Wiki world are extremely
problematical.

I will now take my distance from the Wiki movement.

I was a long time thinking about the yes or the no to become a co-worker at
Wiki. Why?

The "no":
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The open character of information ressources may be a potency but it is a
danger at the same time because there is no indicator of quality. If you by
something at ebay, you know that the partner is registered, you can look for
his evaluations and  you can even look what other user did criticize. You
can open the other young article and look the texts concerning the
problematical transaction. All that has no equivalent in Wiki. You consulte
an information, perhaps an important information with consequences on your
comportement because that and for the next development of your life, and
there is no evaluation or possibility of any control. It would be possible
to enter problematical information with the objective to influence. What to
influence is a question of the specific detail.
Two example:
The World Fact Book
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html writes for France:
"Languages:
French 100%, rapidly declining regional dialects and languages (Provencal,
Breton, Alsatian, Corsican, Catalan, Basque, Flemish)
Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write total population: 99% male:
99% female: 99% (1980 est.)"
The site http://www.educationnationale.com writes "Pourcentage des 16 à 65
ans éprouvant des difficultés à lire et à comprendre des textes de la vie
quotidienne enquête OCDE, 1995) : Suède 7,5 ; Pays-Bas 10,5 ; Allemagne 14,4
; Canada 16,6 ; États-Unis 20,7 ; France 40,1 ; Pologne 42,6".
Between the 1 % of illeterate people of the WFB of the official institution
CIA (one information source of the President of the USA to start wars and
anihilate populations and cultures - Irak was a really problematic country
but Irak was not fundamentalistic and was theoretical lay/secular like
Turkey!) and the information of the other source (you can click on the link
"Quid" - French people considere Quid as an "eprouved" Wikipedia not as an
experiment!), there is a world of difference....
An you can see yourself in the differente wikis that the affirmation
"rapidly declining regional dialects and languages" is not certain! And if
this information would be correct why did you give in wiki the ok to start
new wikis in those declining dialects and languages? Only to disturb the
unity of countries like France or Spain etc? Or did you do that with the
conviction to help people to develope somewhat, that is precious to protect,
somewhat with a great valor? Today your restrictive conviction concerning
solresol is for me an indicator more of the first as of the second:
Soleresol was a great invention. But different people don't want to allow
that other languages as national language can exist parallel to the national
language. For this reason especially in France did a law forbid the use of
special languages as the national language. Please enter following words
into the search motor www.yahoo.fr "loi fabius congrès de milan" and you
will see a fantastic number of link on the problem that AS YOU today in
wikipedia the most important part of the population of France through his
leader as on the list wikipedia-l at Wikimedia.org did refuse to handicaped
people MORE THAN 100 YEARS ALONG the legitimity to develope own educative
solution especially signs languages to help the poor persones to live in the
dignity. See please http://www.a2mains.com/historique3.html . It is only a
little more as TEN YEARS legal to do that in France: propage an universal
language including a sign language: You will restrict the liberty with terms
like "audience" - "editors"- Well!

Now, the "yes", my devise in the web,
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A lot of idealists works in these pages, do her best to make a lot of
possibilities accessible for a great number of other persones. Different
editors, not all, have a great experience and qualification and invest a lot
of time for other. Different editors of course reinvente only the wheel (and
it seems you prefer those editors: A encyclopedie book oder CDROM costs only
10 Euro in Germany today) but not fully round rather with a lot of corners.
But other give access at the knowledge to persones how would be have
difficulties because of the language of because of the deficit of the
production or import of book ware in her part of the world; I did already
explain that medicine students in West Africa did learn medicine from a
Chinese professor, who was only Chinese speaker... And books where extremely
rare at the same time in this African country. Other give access to non
conventional knowledge with reduced accessibility (like Solresol and
Frater - Try to get the complete sources that I have now...)

For this reason I did in the supposition that Wiki did be a really open and
wide seeing institution say to me: YES, I cooperate also.

But I did ignore those back ground tribunals like this access limited
email-list wikipedia-l at Wikimedia.org and the opinion, that a persone can
only get a chance if he already did have this chance on a different place,
if he already has a successfull community (* Audience : who will read this
new language, how many people does that represent, if few people, are they
likely to be better served by another language  * Editors : who will work on
that new project, how many people ).

To Anwhere,

if I would have a kind of Catalan-Yahoo ( http://ct.yahoo.com/ ) for
solresol or frater, I would not move to Wikipedia (Catalan also is not a
national language; but they have a own yahoo...) after all the work would be
done and so annihilate my old work and make twice the same!

Good luck with your problematical project... I go away!

Truly ours

François

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Williamson" <node.ue at gmail.com>
To: <wikipedia-l at wikimedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] New wikipedia proposal

I thought Interlingue already had a Wikipedia?

Anyhow I think we should at least consider a Wikipedia for Solresol.

However Frater I have never heard of, but of course it would still be
open to discussion.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthere" <anthere9 at yahoo.com>
To: <wikipedia-l at wikipedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:53 AM
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] New Wikipedia langage solresol

> So, to sum it up, Johanna (I understood it was Johanna at least) would
> like to create two new languages wikipedias.
>
> I know neither of these two, which is in no way more than just a
statement.
>
> Generally, I think two things should govern a new language settings
> which are
>
> * Audience : who will read this new language, how many people does that
> represent, if few people, are they likely to be better served by another
> language ?
>
> * Editors : who will work on that new project, how many people ?
>
>
> Otherwise, waiting community feedback :-)
>
> anthere
>