[Wikipedia-l] Yiddish flame-war -- seems unnecessary...

[Olve Utne]

Hello Mark W., Stirling N., John Lee, Ingrid Mazeltov & whoever else is 
interested,

I fail to see why all this inflammatory language is necessary -- or 
constructive.
Instead of commenting on each offensive remark, I would like to adress the 
actual issue at hand -- the Yiddish Wikipedia.

I agree with Mark W. that one should be careful deleting stubs -- even when 
these are really rudimentary. I agree with Stirling N. that the quoted 
examples are very rudimentary indeed (but not in his language...) -- and I 
prefer to refrain from commenting Ingrid M.'s rather loaded remark.

As for the problem with the Yiddish Wikipedia, my personal experience is 
that it is hard to work with because of the problems with the user 
interface. Maybe someone could take the job to translate a new version from 
the Hebrew interface -- which has already dealt with most of the RTL issues 
at hand here.

And then I suggest to be liberal along the way concerning how rudimentary 
the stubs can be without being deleted.

Meanwhile, maybe we here on wikipedia-l can agree not to try to kill each 
other verbally and/or otherwise....? :)


Friendly greetings from

Olve

At 21:17 28/11/2004 +0000, various people wrote:
>I am very sad that I have to report this, but Node is deleting stub 
>articles  in the Yiddish wikipedia.

>To Node, I am asking you to stop dealing with languages you do not know. 
>Let  the smaller language Wikipedias grow naturally, without interference 
>from  non-speakers.

>I knew what the articles said just as much as you did.

>A page that says "_______ is a brother of [[________]]" and have the other 
>article just link back, in addition to using incorrect orthography, is not 
>even on the level of a stub, as is the case with an article simply saying 
>"a singer".

>I think it's very interesting that you are so upset about me interfering 
>in Wikipedias in languages I do not know and asking me to let them grow 
>naturally when you yourself support proposals to lock inactive Wikipedias, 
>far from letting them grow naturally.

>Your accusations are out of line Mr. Williamson. You owe the list an  apology.

>Agreed. Very out of line.

>What accusations are you talking about, exactly, anyways? If you tell me 
>accusations are out of line, can you at least let me know which ones?

>If you aren't capable of understanding what you write, then you 
>should  think more before writing it.

>So you are accusing me of something, but then are not willing to back it 
>up with evidence?

>Stop trying to waste my time.

>You criticised someone Jewish, Mark, and for that hubris you'll pay.

>If you're not willing to substantiate a claim with evidence, but rather 
>prefer to make it and then try to get out of it later by telling me to 
>stop wasting your time, it's probably better if you don't do it in the 
>first place.



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Olve Utne
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