[Wikipedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Contributors list

Magnus Manske magnus.manske at web.de
Thu Apr 29 20:40:33 UTC 2004

* We already list *all* contributors for the page, in the page history. 
I'd say that the single click required to see it is comparable to 
turning a page in a printed version, which is not too much to ask, under 
any legal system I know of.
* If you want to find the main contributors, go ahead and use the diff 
function. By listing them all, we also listed the main editors.
* The fact that noone *ever* demanded to see his/her name on the article 
page itself indicates to me that there is strong community 
(=contributor) consensus regarding our current practice in that matter.
* Everybody's free to use their real name as user name, or to write it 
on their user page. The additional click required should be tolerable, 
for reasons stated above.

If the GFDL really requires that list *on the same document* (can't be 
really the same page, think printed version again), can't we declare the 
whole wikipedia as one giant document in itself? [Translation to 
legalese would be required]


Anthere wrote:
> I was just made aware of this thread, and I realise that potentially a 
> legal issue is discussed on wikitech. I would like the opinion of our 
> lawyers on this specific point.
> So, tel me if I understand well, to comply with the gfdl the best we can 
>  (and we already know it is problematic), what you suggest is to list 
> first the real name contributors, followed by pseudonymes, then by ips. 
> Of course, the number of names is limited. We can expect that on many 
> articles, the number of names will be over 50 or more.
> I understood the gfdl "normal" requirement is to list the 5 main 
> contributors. We probably know that we can define who the 5 main 
> contributors are. Indeed, unless the number of contributors is below 5, 
> there is no way to report with honesty the legal requirements.
> This said, if we can't report reality, why would we report a group of 
> contributors more than another ? If a pseudonyme wrote 95% of an 
> article, and 5% officially real names corrected typos, is that really 
> correct to indicate these 5 real names and not the pseudonyme ?
> I would say it is not. Legally, that is incorrect. From a community view 
> point, that is setting a case which I am not sure is really positive.
> It think that it would be more correct to make random choice among 
> pseudo or real names, or to choose among the last ones.
> I will forward this to wikipedia-l and foundation-l, since I believe 
> this is more than a technical issue.
> Evan Prodromou a écrit:
>> So, I'd like to add a little block of attribution data to each page
>> (optional, per-installation; I'm guessing Wikipedia wouldn't use
>> this). Something along the lines of:
>>        This article last edited on April 21, 2004 by Evan Prodromou.
>>        Based on work by Alice Notaperson, Bob Alsonotaperson, users
>>        Crankshaft, Deckchair and Eggplant, and anonymous editors.
>> For each (distinct) person who's listed in the old table, it'd show
>> their real name if it's set, or their user name if not. All anonymous
>> edits would be lumped under "anonymous editors". Contributors would be
>> listed with real-named folks first, then pseudo'd folks, then
>> anonymous. There's no particular reason for that; it could be any
>> other way (although I don't see a big point making it configurable).
>> The goal here is to make it easy for redistributors to comply with
>> license provisions that require author attribution (such as some
>> Creative Commons licenses), without having to dig through a whole
>> bunch of history pages.
>> Anyhoo, the Metadata.php code already does most of this logic, albeit
>> for output in RDF format. I'd like to take that stuff and put it in
>> the Article class, in a method like "getContributors". The method
>> could then be used both from the attribution code and from the RDF
>> metadata code.
>> getContributors would return an array of arrays, each of which would
>> contain:
>>         0. User ID
>>         1. User account name
>>         2. User real name, if set
>> Another option would be to create User objects for each entry in the
>> returned array, but a) I don't think that most of the User object
>> fields (email, preferences) are needed, and b) I'd be worried about
>> slingin' around incomplete User objects. So, I think the arrays are
>> the best bet.
>> Does returning an array of arrays seem insane? Would it be wrong to
>> add this method to Article? If so, where else would it go?
>> ~ESP
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