[Wikipedia-l] Fair use (Alex, Brion et Tarquin)

[Anthere]

From: "Alex T." <alex756 at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fair use

>> Could anyone knowledgable help us here ?

>I volunteer to try, but remember this is not legal
advice
>even though IAAL.
 
>There is a page on fair use in the English Wikipedia
>http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

>[snip]

>Alex756

Ok. I will read all that carefully, consider options
and try to write down something decent on the topic.
Thanks a lot for the detailed answer Alex


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From: Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fair use

>>On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 17:18, Anthere wrote:
>> Could anyone explain to us what is fair use for
images
>> ?
>>[snip]
>> As a second point, I would like to know precisely
why
>> DW was hard banned.

>Just to provide context for those who haven't been
following the French
>Wikipedia; DW/Black Widow/Ron Davis/Elliot/Olga
Biteyerkokoff/Jacques
>Delson/ChuckM/Joe Canuck/Sue Michael Canuck has been
contributing under
>the username JacquesD there.

>(Or at least, someone in the same town with the same
ISP, using a
>similar name to one of the earlier pseudos, working
in the same
>subjects, and making the same noises about copyright
and
>"discrimination". Doesn't the game get old after a
while?)

>-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Yes, the game is getting old. But it is not the first
time english problematic users spill on the french
wikipedia as well. Except we are never sure really
problematic users are one or two.

The main issue here is not so much whether JacquesD is
a ban user, but that indeed there is no policy as
regards fair use of images on the french wiki.
And JacquesD makes two good points :
He is uploading images which he claims are fair use.

*Some of his images have been deleted for not fitting
with the GFDL. Fine. But these images were copies from
the english wikipedia. If these images are ok on the
english, why should they be rejected on the french ? I
do not say it is good or bad that we follow the same
rules, I just say it should be clearer.

*Some of his images have been deleted for not fitting
with the GFDL. Fine. But other french editors appear
to upload same type of images (for example, recent
picts of actors). If these editors images are ok, why
should JacquesD images be wrong ?

Another editor, labelled problematic by some, uploaded
questionable image, which appear to me to be able to
fit the fair use condition. This one was deleted as
well.

Aside from soft appeal to force practiced by JacquesD,
and fair tries of flatteries ;-), I agree with him the
case is not clear and appear slightly discriminatory
:-)
There is a strong tendency to consider that one has
cried wolf (in this case Panoramix), wolf it is. And
that even though good contributor, a so-called wolf
has less rights than others.

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Brion.
A technical question.
JacquesD mentions that the two pictures we have of
Kissinger (pictures that I find POV, so that are gonna
be deleted after the case is solved anyway) are of
dubious copyright. Hence, he delinked them. The link
has been replaced (then removed again) upon the reason
it came from es.wikipedia (apparently, coming from
another wikipedia is *enough* to be declared "cp
correct*. But when I go on w.es.kissinger, I see an
image...which is not an internal image, but rather an
external link to another web site (but is displayed in
wikipedia frame as well).

I might be wrong, but I thought this has been
forbidden/made-impossible because of the famous (and
well remembered by old timers :-)) goatxe image ?

No ? Something escaped me ?

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Brion.
Another point.
It is interesting you mention that JacquesD has the
same ISP, and connect from the same town than DWs.
Though it is clear this user has similar patterns than
them (but this could be used to make believe he is
them), I came to the conclusion that he was not them,
based on synthax comparisons with Joe Canuck.
Your comment kinda threatens my inner convictions :-)
In any case, I do not see any reason for JacquesD to
be banned.


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From: tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fair use



Anthere wrote:

>>Could anyone explain to us what is fair use for
images
>>?

Tarquin
>c'est horriblement compliqué.
>la meilleure chose a faire c'est de:
>1. vivre sans l'image en question -- trouver une
alternative
>2. si c'est indispensable, marquer que c'est "fair
use" sur la page 
>description image.

Mentionning it is fair use as Alex explained seems a
good idea to me. Why isnot the english wikipedia doing
this as well ?

That is tough, as wikipedians copy images from one
wikipedias from another, as if just the fact it came
from another wiki was *proof* the image is public domain.

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