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[Anthere]

Hello all

I have responded privately to Erik on all his very
kind comments.

I will just copy here one very technical part of it,
to explain why *I* think there is a problem.

Second, I note that Erik has decided to blame all on
me. That won't do it Erik.

Many months ago, a french person told me an ambassador
should not voice any personal position on the ML, for
fear of making appear the personal position as hir
wikipedia position. Today, Erik decides to blame the
ambassador for reporting criticism and problems
reported by other users.

Hence, I will from now on separate these two
identities and make better use of basic google
translations.

Anthere

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When I say you have no reaction, I don't talk about
the anon votes. I saw your comments. I talk about the
cheating. I translate Olie report that people have
been cheating. I ask what we should do to compensate
the cheat. I suggest the different options I can
imagine. And I get no response from you. Since you are
the one who are gonna make the counts, I think you
could have answered the propositions I made to fix
things the best we could. To be fair to the artist. If
you do not answer, I consider that my propositions are
all fine by you, so I tell which one I will do. Which
is "adding the logo upon which was practiced the
vandalism to the list of final logos if it is not in
the final list you set".

Perhaps is there a cultural issue there ? On the en
wiki, I know people always suggest to be bold. On the
french wiki, most people insist it is better to
explain the changes we plan to do before hand. I
follow the french practice, and tell you what I will
do. Letting the opportunity for other propositions or
comments. No comments = all agree. Okay ?


Say there are some presidential elections, with 15
candidates, among which Chirac, LePen and Jospin. 100
people are voting.

The vote session last 7 hours.

If all goes fine, let's say Chirac makes 60, LePen
makes 16 and Jospin 15 .
At the end of the vote, Chirac and Lepen are left for
second turn, and Jospin goes crying in his mother's
arms.

Now, let's say that during 1 hour, the voting papers
for Lepen are replaced by those of Jospin.
Voters see there are two papers for Jospin perhaps,
they vote taking the wrong paper, but it does not
matter, the officials count the papers and Jospin is
still 15.

Now, there are quite a bunch of people who came during
that unfortunate hour, and they were not aware LePen
was a candidate. So, they use their votes
differently...perhaps, they vote for Noel Mamère
instead of LePen! So, in the end, LePen votes are not
16, there are only 14.

Final results : Chirac 60, LePen 14 and Jospin 15.
Who goes crying in his mother's arms ?

Right.

I did not count, but about 20 people came to vote at a
moment 124 bulletin was not there. They did not see
the logo. Hence they could not vote for it.
So, I just say, if this logo is number 11th this
evening, it might be very unfair, for maybe 20 people
would have voted for it. Or perhaps none of them. We
just don't know.

Here is why I say, in any cases, this logo should be
there. If it is 11th, we should have 11th logos for
the final vote.

Or we need to contact ALL the individual voters who
came around when this logo was not available. Which
will be a real pain.


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