[Wikipedia-l] Racialisme

[Anthere]

--- Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
> Yann Forget wrote:
> 
> >It's me who put this in the "racialisme" article.
> The word may be used by 
> >quite some people, but I really think that it was
> invented by racist groups 
> >and people to justify racism. Links in Google don't
> and can't justify 
> >anything.
> >
> I agree that when the word racialism(e) was invented
> it may well have 
> been by racist groups.  This seems to have happened
> around 1900.  They 
> may very well have done it to make their racist
> views more acceptable. 
>  For many of their opponents there was no difference
> at all between 
> racialism and racism.  For others the distinction
> was a useful one. 
>  Accepting that distinction did not make them
> racist.  Nobody owns the word.

I believe that whoever set the word, the distinction
is *very* useful. Discussing (and maybe agreeing)
there are enough differences between humans to
taxonomise them in different groups (races) is an
*entirely*  different thing from using this
information to justify a specific behavior from one
group toward another.

> >And I also redirected the articles about "racisme
> anti-blanc" and "racisme à 
> >l'envers" to "racisme". Personnally I don't think
> such articles should be in 
> >Wikipedia. I think that it doesn't improve the
> quality and reputation of 
> >Wikipedia.
> >
> Why shouldn't they be?  If these phenomena exist,
> they need to be 
> described fairly.  That doesn't mean agreeing with
> them.  A racist 
> article and an article about racism are two
> different things.

The phenomena exist sure enough. And any attempt to
define words properly, to provide people with a common
frame can only enhance communication between humans,
relationships between humans and others living beings.
I can't figure how properly defining words could be
detrimental to wikipedia.

Another thing that might touch you better Yann. Dunno
if you have kids. No matter how well you try to
protect them, they end up knowing racism exist (and
that is good they discover it exist rather than
keeping eyes shut:-)). They look at things, listen to
conversations, surf on the net...and sure enough...one
day or another, they fell on an article about "racisme
anti-blanc".

If they are curious (and usually they are), they
wonder what it exactly means...
Look in the dic (as I did for some words as a kid),
and find nothing...weird, a word used by grown-ups,
but it is said not to exist ? 
Unlike me as a kid, they will maybe be able to look on
the net.

And where do you think they will end up ????

Ahhhhhhh, la CELEBRISSIME CINQUIEME COLONNE !!!!!!!

http://5eme-colonne.org/

On y revient......

Ton gosse, préfère tu qu'il apprenne ce qu'est le
racisme anti-blanc sur un site tel que la 5eme
colonne, ou dans un fabuleux article, bien documenté,
neutre (dans le sens non pas machi macha de
politiquement correct tel que certains le concoivent,
mais dans le vrai sens : information complète non
biaisée présentant tous les aspects de façon honnete
et acceptable par tous ?), bref sur Wikipédia.

Pour ma part, c'est *tout choisi* !

> The difficulty here is who decides what French law
> means?
> 
> Eclecticology

The other difficulty here is who decide that the
french wikipedia should follow the French law. Why not
the canadian one ? Or the swiss (ah neutralité !), why
not the marrocan one ?

When was is decided the french wikipedia was french
only ?


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